Home  5  Books  5  GBEzine  5  News  5  HelpDesk  5  Register  5  GreenBuilding.co.uk
Not signed in (Sign In)

Categories



Green Building Bible, Fourth Edition
Green Building Bible, fourth edition (both books)
These two books are the perfect starting place to help you get to grips with one of the most vitally important aspects of our society - our homes and living environment.

PLEASE NOTE: A download link for Volume 1 will be sent to you by email and Volume 2 will be sent to you by post as a book.

Buy individually or both books together. Delivery is free!


powered by Surfing Waves




Vanilla 1.0.3 is a product of Lussumo. More Information: Documentation, Community Support.

Welcome to new Forum Visitors
Join the forum now and benefit from discussions with thousands of other green building fans and discounts on Green Building Press publications: Apply now.




    •  
      CommentAuthorDamonHD
    • CommentTimeFeb 1st 2011
     
    Ah, coolio, looks like I'll get to borrow a thermal camera tomorrow evening and I'll stick up annotated pics within the next week or so if anyone is interested. (I have a tough weekend drinking beer in Belgium ahead of me, oh and doing some open source stuff!)

    Rgds

    Damon
    •  
      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeFeb 1st 2011
     
    Open Drain more like, it is Belgium after all :bigsmile:
    • CommentAuthorRobinB
    • CommentTimeFeb 2nd 2011
     
    Interested.
    •  
      CommentAuthorDamonHD
    • CommentTimeFeb 2nd 2011 edited
     
    Taken lots of pics: didn't find anything dreadful. Did find what I take to be thermal bridging in corners, and at joists and fixings (especially the steel screws holding up our aerogel plasterboard), and why condensing boilers are a better idea than not (flue at ~80C)!

    Putting them up now but it will take a while for them to become visible.

    Rgds

    Damon

    PS. Raw images will be appearing starting here in the next hour or so (I'll annotate them later): http://gallery.hd.org/_c/natural-science/_more2011/_more02/thermal-imaging-of-house-interior-and-exterior-and-nearby-on-chilly-February-evening-about-6C-ambient-with-Flir-Systems-b40-in-Kingston-London-England-1-DHD.jpg.html

    PPS. Fixed typo in name thus it will be a while before the images are republished!
    • CommentAuthorbuckyp
    • CommentTimeMar 2nd 2011
     
    I do thermal imaging and also produce a full report with a copy of all the images and a list of recommendations on how to improve the insulation in areas of concern. I have found many issues including areas left uninsulated by 'professional' loft insulation installers and failed CWI. A number of clients have contacted me say that they have had CWI, loft insulation and new windows installed and they want me to tell them how good their houses are! Unfortunately, most of them are not very good at all!
    I don't know where these quotes of £500 for a survey come from, I have a £4500 camera and charge around £195, no VAT as I'm not registered, for a full survey and report.
    If anyone is interested in having a survey done or has any questions, you can contact me through my website;
    www.sustainablelifestyles.co.uk
    • CommentAuthorevan
    • CommentTimeMar 2nd 2011
     
    What area do you cover, buckyp?
    • CommentAuthorbuckyp
    • CommentTimeMar 2nd 2011
     
    Hi Evan, I'm in the Oxford area but can travel depending on how far.
    • CommentAuthorbuckyp
    • CommentTimeMar 2nd 2011
     
    Yes, that's not too far from me about an hour or so away. We've got a few cold evenings coming up so possibly quite soon!
    •  
      CommentAuthorDamonHD
    • CommentTimeMar 6th 2011
     
    Right, buckyp has just left having resurveyed my house.

    He found various important things that I missed when armed with a camera, so I'll write up the differences and items that an amateur such as me should pay particular attention to when using such a device.

    I have some more air infiltration to take care of, though it's gonna be bugger to fix: lifting the continuous plywood floors in the upstairs rooms and blocking air leakage points around the joists, I think, though I may need GBF advice on allowing the right sort of ventilation to avoid rot... Another day.

    Thanks again buckyp.

    Rgds

    Damon
    • CommentAuthorbuckyp
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2011
     
    Hi Tony, Reading's just down the road from me, I'm in Oxfordshire so only half an hour or so away, if you're interested, contact me through my web site.
    www.sustainablelifestyles.co.uk
    •  
      CommentAuthorDamonHD
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2011
     
    I'm going to do my write-up here:

    http://www.earth.org.uk/thermal-imaging-survey-of-house.html

    once I've done various other things that I promised (Topher, sorry!), but my images and those from buckyp with his report are in the Links section at the bottom of the page.

    Rgds

    Damon
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2012
     
    I got an i-Pad for Christmas

    It has a very impressive inbuilt infra red camera

    I wish I knew how to make it take photos.

    At the moment all my window are red from inside as they are capturing solar energy I cant see any thermal bridges or cold spots apart from my window frames are cooler than the rest of the interior of my house.
    •  
      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2012
     
    We covered this a while back somewhere (about some apple laptop not an ipad). Apparently it is not an IR camera, just some software trickery. Others know more about it.
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2012
     
    Spoilsport. :tongue:
    •  
      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2012
     
    iPad may be different, there is a similar one that runs Google's OS for less than 100 quid.

    But purely out of interest, is there a USB IR camera that is cheap and good enough, if it worked with Linux even better :wink:
    •  
      CommentAuthorJSHarris
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2012
     
    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: SteamyTea</cite>iPad may be different, there is a similar one that runs Google's OS for less than 100 quid.

    But purely out of interest, is there a USB IR camera that is cheap and good enough, if it worked with Linux even better</blockquote>

    You can make a cheap USB camera into an IR camera, although the performance isn't great and I have no idea what sort of wavelengths it responds to. Take it apart, remove the lens assembly from the sensor then remove the IR filter that will be between the lens and the filter (often a thin bit of plastic). Reassemble the camera and it will now see IR reasonably well.

    You can only use it at night, with no light, but I keep meaning to try covering the lens with a bit of black bin liner to see if that would allow it to work in daylight (bin liner is fairly transparent to IR, apparently).

    I believe there is better advice on doing this mod on the web, as I tried it a couple of years ago after being sent a link, perhaps to one of those US "how to hack things" sites.
    •  
      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2012
     
    Tried that, all I got out of it was a broken webcam.

    I do have a Sony Alpha that got splashed and lost the autofocus and aperture control. That has a 10 meg sensor, may have a pick at that and see what happens.
    •  
      CommentAuthorJSHarris
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2012
     
    Car reversing cameras are also IR sensitive, or at least the one on my last car was, as it had a ring of IR LEDs around the lens to provide night time illumination. The picture at night wasn't great, and was black and white, but it did definitely see reasonable well with just a dozen or so IR LEDs lighting up the few feet behind the car. It worked a lot better with the reversing light on though!
    • CommentAuthorEd Davies
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2012 edited
     
    As has already been discussed in this thread these IR cameras are not useful for thermal imaging.

    Ordinary digital camera sensors are quite sensitive to short-wave (near) IR, around 1 to 2 µm wavelength. E.g., the cameras on most mobile phones can see the IR from a TV remote control. Such cameras have filters to cut out the IR and it's fairly easy to remove those filters in some, including many web cams. The reason for the filters is that without them the IR will cause odd colour distortions in the image and also it'll focus slightly differently.

    IR LEDs will also be at similar long short wavelengths. E.g., the ones in remote controls are around 0.8 µm or so, I think.

    Thermal IR is much longer wavelengths, of the order of 10 µm and these cameras are not sensitive to such radiation (unless it's so intense that the camera melts, or something).
    • CommentAuthorSprocket
    • CommentTimeJan 24th 2012
     
    CCD and CMOS Camera sensors work aroun 400 to 700nm (nano metres).
    If you remove the IR filter (small piece of coated glass) you may get them to work out to around 900nm.

    Thermal imaging is long-wave IR, at around 10 um (Ten micro metres, ie. 10,000 nm).

    Out by a factor of ten-ish I'm afraid. The term "IR" is pretty broad.

    I removed the filters from a couple of cheap (£50) visible light cameras and have them in our chicken house for night vision webcams (it's great - better than a lot of TV) but they wouldn't work without infra-red illuminators in there.
    • CommentAuthorSteveZ
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2015
     
    I just came across this new FLIR C2 camera.

    http://www.flir.co.uk/instruments/content/?id=66732

    It seems to be exactly what most houseowners/builders are looking for at a fairly reasonable price - for a change!
    •  
      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2015
     
    You going to get one Steve, then I can pop over and borrow it :wink:
    • CommentAuthorgravelld
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2015
     
    The resolution on that is pretty low, similar to the i3. Not sure how the field of view compares but the i3 was really poor for that too. The Android/iPhone integrated cameras look better VFM.
    • CommentAuthorSteveZ
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2015
     
    Is the resolution very important? The video on the Flir website seems to show enough definition to find the cold spots and the photo image combined with the thermal picture looks to make interpretation far more simple.

    The price seems to be around £670 (inc VAT) which is OK but most house owners will only use it a couple of times (and then it will end up on the shelf next to my Black and Decker non-contact thermometer!), so I can't see myself buying one just yet - sorry ST
    • CommentAuthorgravelld
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2015
     
    It's less important when there's an integrated camera, as there is here. The real trouble comes when low res is combined with a narrow field of view - you have to stand back to get a full image (and also context in some cases) and yet the resolution is sometimes too poor to pick out the differences in temperature.

    Working with the i3, if I stand 3m back from a wall I will lose detail that I can see better when closer to the wall. But I have to be 3m to get anything like the amount of wall I want to get in the picture.

    If you are working on a small area and are satisfied with specific close ups then it may be ok.

    I'd say borrow it first, it's still a few hundred quid.
    • CommentAuthordazdread
    • CommentTimeDec 11th 2015
     
    I was going to post a similar question to this. I am looking to write a bid for a Thermal camera and laptop with a view to mapping the streets of the town over winter.

    I was looking for a reasonable priced unit that could do this and be used for more detailed work as our experience grows. The idea would be to identify houses that are really poorly insulated, you know, the ones where the snow melts off their roofs days before their neighbours do.

    As a Transition group we would use the image as an invitation to engage and hopefully save the householder money.

    Is there a preferred temperature range at which to take the images?

    Best regards

    Darren
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeDec 11th 2015
     
    I have thought about this and there are sociological and political implications, further we get plenty of people coming to us (DraughtBusters.net) without going to get them.

    There are a variety of reasons that houses are too warm, lac of insulation, thermal bypass, growing canabis! , illegal loft conversion, thermostat set too high, different materials, then te comparitave effects of well/ poorly insulated walls or roofs or windows.

    Best to imaging when it is cold but you miss most of the people we help as they live in energy poverty their homes would not show up on your surveys.
    •  
      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeDec 11th 2015
     
    You would have to comply with all the data security and protection acts. Not hard to do, but you need to do it.
    • CommentAuthorsnyggapa
    • CommentTimeDec 13th 2015
     
    this seems to be ideal work for a drone
    • CommentAuthorgravelld
    • CommentTimeDec 13th 2015
     
    Might've missed this, but the temperature range inside the house is also important, you can't compare houses easily if you don't know they are heated to the same internal temperature. Although I suppose you can get the general idea.

    External temp no higher than 5C ideally but it will still work if not, just harder to spot differences. Ideally done when overcast because of reflected radiative effect of sun.
   
The Ecobuilding Buzz
Site Map    |   Home    |   View Cart    |   Pressroom   |   Business   |   Links   
Logout    

© Green Building Press