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    • CommentAuthorphiledge
    • CommentTimeOct 28th 2022
     
    There was a post a few weeks/months ago stating domestic PV had greater embodied carbon than commercial PV farms and Ive been meaning to query that for a while and finally got round to it now.

    Heres how I see the reverse seems a more likely scenario.

    Panels are the same
    Panel mounting rails and clamps are the same
    Commercial farms need structural support frames and likely concrete foundations. Domestic install uses existing roof
    Commercial farms need service roads. Domestic install uses existing driveway
    Commercial farms need new electrical infrastructure for grid connection. Domestic install uses existing grid connection
    Commercial farms use bigger inverters with more panels connected per inverter. Domestic install uses fewer panels per inverter.

    It seems to me that the only time a domestic system may have more embodied carbon is in the lower panel to inverter ratio. In all other aspects the commercial farm has the same or significantly more embodied carbon than a domestic system.

    Am I missing something?.
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    Efficiencies of scale?
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeOct 28th 2022
     
    Dunno. Most domestic systems require a scaffold or somesuch to be erected?

    But I don't remember the claim from before. Maybe you could find it, or maybe the OP will chime in?
    • CommentAuthorTimSmall
    • CommentTimeOct 28th 2022
     
    I suppose it depends on where you "draw the borders" for the analysis. I assume you would get more vehicle movements for small scale installations, so if that is counted then domestic pv will come off less well.

    Domestic PV has more inverters per kW capacity (as already noted) as well probably more cabling, and nowadays smaller panel sizes - so more connectors and aluminium frames per kW capacity - all of those would have more embodied carbon.

    If you were doing your analysis based on embodied carbon per kWh generated, then I'd guess commercial installations are probably going to be sited more optimally and with better maintenance, and lower panel temperatures, so they may get a better yield than a domestic install with shadowing and one string that dropped 50% of its output 3 years ago without anyone noticing.

    Many commercial installs use bifacial panels and some use trackers both of which probably decrease embodied energy per kWh generated.
    • CommentAuthorphiledge
    • CommentTimeOct 29th 2022
     
    I thought about workers vehicle movements and on the face of it theres more movements per kw of panels for a typical domestic install. For a typical 4kw system youve got 2 return trips for a 7.5 ton scaffolders wagon. 2 return trips for the installers van for a 2 day install. Our panels were courier delivered as part of the couriers daily run around so a bit of carbon for delivery but commercial farms would likely have dedicated deliveries

    On a commercial farm youd likely be able to final fix 4kw of panels way quicker.....but. At the solar farm a few miles from us there was a a full site establishment for months which would have been 100s if not 1000s of work journeys. There were excavators and dumpers putting in service tracks. Stone to be quarried and transported. Ground workers and excavators putting concrete foundations. Steel erectors building support frames. Dozens of small substations built and cabled. Probably several miles of perimeter fence to be installed. None of the above is required with a typical domestic install.

    Im fairly sure the panels used on commercial installs are same as fitted domestically, currently around 350-400w. Thats what a commercial installer I know is putting in and thats the size range people seem to talk about for domestic jobs??
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