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    • CommentAuthoran02ew
    • CommentTimeSep 8th 2022
     
    i am looking to charge our PHEV with our un-used solar energy(standard 4KW system)- i origonal thought to simple use a solar diverter(iBoost or simular) to a 13 amp socket but i have been informed that the there is a minimum charge level accepted by the car of 6amps or 1440w (6ampx240v) this is too high a starting point and would be useless for early mornings, or winter low generation times. would it be possible to divert (through iboost) the solar PV into a 110v transformer (builders type) and then in to the car, would reducing the voltage to 110 reduces the minimum charge to 660w(6amps x 110v)? and is all this possible?
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    It depends whether the requirement of the car is 6 amps or 1440 watts. If the requirement is 1440 watts then reducing the voltage won't help because whilst you will up the amps the watts won't increase.

    If the car needs a certain minimum level of energy to start charging then playing around with volts and amps won't increase the available energy.

    What does the manual say - even if you have to read the American manual (on line?) if the UK manual doesn't mention 110 volts, or ask the dealer

    What about DC charging - is that an option?
    • CommentAuthorphiledge
    • CommentTimeSep 8th 2022
     
    Id start by putting your details into PVGIS and downloading the hourly generation figures for your system. Then look at how often youll be generating enough to charge the car through the year.

    If youre concerned about morning/evening/winter generation, understanding the year round generation might help your planning. Other than a few hours on bright clear winter days, you dont get anywhere near the systems rated max in winter and by the time you deduct the house background load you may not get much if any charge into the car for quite a few months.

    Any option to extend the systems capacity??
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeSep 8th 2022
     
    an02ew asked: "i am looking to charge our PHEV with our un-used solar energy(standard 4KW system)- i origonal thought to simple use a solar diverter(iBoost or simular) to a 13 amp socket but i have been informed that the there is a minimum charge level accepted by the car of 6amps or 1440w (6ampx240v) this is too high a starting point and would be useless for early mornings, or winter low generation times. would it be possible to divert (through iboost) the solar PV into a 110v transformer (builders type) and then in to the car, would reducing the voltage to 110 reduces the minimum charge to 660w(6amps x 110v)? and is all this possible?"

    I don't know much about the subject but I do know that there are several people who use solar PV to charge their EVs using the kit described at: https://guide.openenergymonitor.org/integrations/ev-charging/

    It might also be worth asking your question on the forum there.
    • CommentAuthorbhommels
    • CommentTimeSep 8th 2022
     
    Is this what you are looking for?
    https://myenergi.nl/en/product/zappi/
    • CommentAuthorrevor
    • CommentTimeSep 8th 2022
     
    Would a simpler approach be just to plug it to the house and if you are generating enough, it will use the solar if not, would it then not top up from the grid. i.e., consider the vehicle as an appliance. As @dhommeels suggest have a look at the zappi. I been looking at this for a future EV but situation in my case is a bit complicated because have solar battery.
    • CommentAuthorbhommels
    • CommentTimeSep 8th 2022
     
    Posted By: revor I been looking at this for a future EV but situation in my case is a bit complicated because have solar battery.

    Please do keep us posted about any solutions you find for this. It is an area that industry has not sorted out (yet) and I foresee many PV & battery owners getting unpleasantly surprised once they swap out their ICE car for an EV.
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeSep 8th 2022 edited
     
    I'm glad I didn't opt for one of the newer EV chargers. I still have one of the old 3.2Kw ones that were fitted free.

    I do what revor suggests, I look at the weather forecast and plug the car in. Anything that is over from the house base load up to the minimum charging requirement gets used for free. If its below that minimum, then it supplements any grid draw.
    The Zappi does that automatically I think, but I assume because it's charging at around 7Kw rate (fixed), and I'm unaware that it has variable optional charging rates, it still pulls in a lot from the Grid (with home PV you very rarely have 7Kw spare to enable free charging), whereas my older, (slower) system is better suited to my home PV surplus, and I have a 10Kw system.
    I would add that I'm able to be selective with charging, I appreciate that many don't have that luxury.
    • CommentAuthorneelpeel
    • CommentTimeSep 8th 2022
     
    The Zappi can prioritise PV power. Blurb...

    eco charging
    The eco charge mode is a mixture of both green energy and energy imported from the grid. eco mode minimises the use of grid power, generally taking advantage of cheaper rates overnight, but can also charge using 100% green energy. Essentially giving you the ability to charge up your car for free! The charging power is continuously adjusted in response to changes in generation or power being used elsewhere in the home.

    If the surplus generation drops below 1.4kw some power will be drawn from the grid to top it back up.


    eco+ charging
    eco+ charging is very similar to eco charging in that it can utilise power from the grid or your own power source. However the charge power is continuously adjusted in response to changes in generation or power consumption elsewhere in the home. Your electric car charging will pause if there is too much-imported power, continuing only when there is surplus free power available.
    • CommentAuthoran02ew
    • CommentTimeSep 8th 2022
     
    MY goal is to create a system that easily and automaticly uses the un-used low wattage solar, our car usage is general low maybe 5m a day(more at weekends)and my wife returns from work around lunch time most days.

    PIH- the manual says it will accept 110v-240V and a minimum of 6amps(amps can be adjusted with the ICCB but im not sure that set a low ampage limits it to that ampage) watts = amps x volts so im thinking lower the volts to lower the minimum watts accepted?

    Philedge- thank you for the advise, i admit there are limited days when the hour generation is more than 660w in winter but even less for hours that generate 1440w

    - i have reseached some of the more common EV chargers all are based on 240v so again 1440w minimum even when set on "eco mode" there require 1440w to start charging.

    Revor- that would be my summer plan when i can expect more hours of above 1440w but this wouldnt work for low generation months.
    • CommentAuthoran02ew
    • CommentTimeSep 15th 2022
     
    Update

    From feedback on other forums and installers, it is possible to use 110v to charge a EV (providing it will accept it) but not so easy to find a charging unit, US chargers being 120V imput ( and im not sure will work with a standard builder site transformer) and 6-13 amp range, this upper limit will ristict the charge to 1500w which will not cope with the summer PV generation. So i would need a unit that was able to accept both 110V and 240V 6-32 amps
    • CommentAuthorphiledge
    • CommentTimeSep 15th 2022
     
    You can get some pretty big 240/110 1 phase transformers way in excess of 1500 watt. A google search suggests 10kva is available so plenty big enough to handle your 4kw summer generation.

    Im not sure how efficient going from 240ac to 110ac to ??dc will be and you may find that alot of energy goes into warming up transformers etc.
    • CommentAuthorjon
    • CommentTimeSep 15th 2022
     
    Have you considered putting a relay switch on the car charging fed by a light meter?

    (idea being to take from a house system, with top up from mains, but only when solar energy is at peak): would need a bypass switch. Sounds cheap and cheerful at first sight but not sure if feasible so just throwing the idea out there.
    • CommentAuthoran02ew
    • CommentTimeSep 15th 2022
     
    Posted By: philedgeYou can get some pretty big 240/110


    This was my origonal idea, but sadly scuppered when i was inform US chargers are 120V not 110V (will it work at 110 supply) i would sooner 110V as the lower the voltage the lower the wattage the charger would start to charge the car



    Posted By: jonHave you considered putting a relay switch on the car charging fed by a light meter?

    (idea being to take from a house system, with top up from mains, but only when solar energy is at peak): would need a bypass switch. Sounds cheap and cheerful at first sight but not sure if feasible so just throwing the idea out there.

    im not sure i completely understand what you are saying-but i think i would still only be using the solar when it was generating over a 1.4kw??
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeSep 15th 2022
     
    Posted By: an02ewThis was my origonal idea, but sadly scuppered when i was inform US chargers are 120V not 110V (will it work at 110 supply)
    It seems the lower limit for US mains supply is 114 V, so not quite there. But when your solar is generating it may push the voltage up to around 250 V instead of the nominal 230 V, so that may bridge the gap even if everything is only behaving to the smallest deviation it must.

    In short you could do some measurements and research to check but ultimately you might need to suck it and see. That's if everything else works as you wish.
    • CommentAuthorjon
    • CommentTimeSep 16th 2022
     
    im not sure i completely understand what you are saying-but i think i would still only be using the solar when it was generating over a 1.4kw??

    So if you're grid connected, then when solar is high, you're exporting to your house (and the network if no major loads were on). At that time, the charger would be on and would be drawing that power; topped up by the network to get whatever ampage you need. If solar goes low, the system stops using power to avoid drawing most of the power from the network

    Just a random idea. Something I've been thinking about and might not be fully thought through (I don't have an EV yet)
    • CommentAuthoran02ew
    • CommentTimeSep 22nd 2022
     
    Posted By: djhIt seems the lower limit for US mains supply is 114 V, so not quite there. But when your solar is generating it may push the voltage up to around 250 V instead of the nominal 230 V, so that may bridge the gap even if everything is only behaving to the smallest deviation it must.


    i was getting to hung up on the US power supply here, see below extract from Open EVSE (US version)

    "The OpenEVSE Advanced kit contains the components required to assemble a Level 1/2 Charging Station designed for flexible use worldwide or while on the road. The new kit is ideal for portable charging at any voltage from 90 - 264v AC. This kit is intended for use on circuits up to 60 Amps (maximum 50A continuous output). The Advanced Kit includes WiFi, Color LCD, Amp and kWh meters and Charging Station based timers."

    i can connect this to a 110V transformer in the winter months to reduce required wattage 660w to triger initial charge. i will have to deside when to change the back to 240V to make sure i maximise the upper level charge too ( its a shame this isnt able to be more automated
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