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Politics: Lighter later launches today! 10:10

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    "WHAT A DIFFERENCE AN HOUR MAKES...
    Everybody loves the sunshine. But every year we set our clocks so that we get less of it in our lives, sleeping through the sunlit mornings while we use expensive, polluting electric lights to keep out the dark nights. Lighter Later is a campaign to brighten all of our days, by changing the clocks so we are awake when the sun is out.

    The idea is simple: we shift the clocks forward by one hour throughout the entire year. We would still put the clocks forward in spring and back in autumn, but we would have moved an hour of daylight from the morning to the evening, when more of us are awake to enjoy it.

    Lighter Later is also the best proof yet of 10:10’s bright idea – that cutting carbon and making life better can and should go hand in hand.
    Add your voice today"

    http://www.lighterlater.org/

    As Franny Armstrong – 10:10’s founder and Director of The Age of Stupid – says:

    “Hands up who doesn’t want our country to be safer, lighter, more prosperous and with less pollution? And who doesn’t want to save money on their electricity bills without lifting a finger?”
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeMar 30th 2010
     
    Signed
    • CommentAuthorcromar
    • CommentTimeMar 30th 2010
     
    Hmmm. So in the Northern parts of these isles, where in winter it doesn't get light until almost 9am, it would now get light at nearly 10am. No thanks. There is a good reason that we have the clocks set the way they are.
    I do however like the idea of being awake when the sun is out. In winter I could stay in bed for 17 hours.
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    Anybody think of any negative to this ? ( other than a few farmers being in the dark a hours more )
    I'm up and out by 6.30-7.00 some mornings ( SE UK ) so I guess winter mornings would be a bit bleak.
    But then home in the light , to stroll in the garden etc. hurrah !!
    I heard a discussion a while back where one comment was the extra dark hour in the morning was less dangerous to road users/kids as we where more alert and heading straight to our destinations , where as in the evening on the way home we're more likely to doordle or lose consantration.
    • CommentAuthorjamesingram
    • CommentTimeMar 30th 2010 edited
     
    cromar , not wishing to be to English , but the populations quite smaller up the far north .
    Surely this would give greater benefit to the greater amount of people.
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    I guess in the winter , in areas with limited daylight,
    the question would be, when would you like your hour of light , earlier or later ?
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeMar 30th 2010
     
    Maybe Scotland cd decide otherwise?
    • CommentAuthorpmcc
    • CommentTimeMar 31st 2010
     
    Of course, how we set our clocks doesn't change the physical length of the day. It's just a convention. But it's a convention which negatively affects most of the UK population, given our slavery to clocks, so there should be a good reason for keeping the current arrangement.

    I've never seen a convincing argument why those in the far north can't adjust their working hours by an hour during the deepest part of winter if dark mornings are a problem. Eg, schools in the north start at 10:00 in Dec & Jan if that's the best way to fit with available daylight.

    Personally, living in mid-Scotland, I'd be far happier with an extra hour in the afternoon. Not so much for mid-winter, but for Feb & March, where it's always seemed daft that we're still on winter hours when it's getting light at 05:30.
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    It doesn't matter what time it says on your clock surely? I spent one year on summer time the whole year just for the heck of it. OK it was annoying the certain TV programmes were on at the "wrong" time - but I don't have a TV now so I really don't care. All those people who lament for Scottish Farmers, well, animals and whatever can't even tell the time anyway except by their stomachs so it really doesn't make any practical difference. There's only so many hours of daylight no matter how you slice and dice it. Ah, the joys of working from home to my own schedule!

    Paul in Montreal (we switched to summer time a couple of weeks ago already :) )
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeMar 31st 2010 edited
     
    Sentiments with PMCC and Paul in Montreal here, why don't we just stay on GMT and get up an hour earlier, only have to get used to it once and that would save the upheaval twice a year of changing clocks. Is there a country that does not change? and if it happens to be warm and sunny as well.....

    Edit:
    Living 5 deg West of London and what is considered a separate country I already get 20 minutes extra daylight in the evenings.
    • CommentAuthorjamesingram
    • CommentTimeMar 31st 2010 edited
     
    I think the idea is to set it in a more energy effiecent way

    http://www.lighterlater.org/
    • CommentAuthorjules
    • CommentTimeMar 31st 2010
     
    I'd certainly fully support England (and Wales if they want) moving to Central European Time, ie an hour later throughout the year. Not only would the evenings be lighter, but they'd also be warmer of course, which means that in the summer you can sit outside in the evening for an hour longer! Good for businesses too being in the same time zone as Europe.

    As for Scotland and N Ireland, they have their own governments and can do what they wish. There's absolutely no reason for them to be in the same zone as England and Wales - the US has three time zones for instance.
    • CommentAuthorRobinB
    • CommentTimeMar 31st 2010
     
    Has my vote!
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeMar 31st 2010
     
    Another nail in the coffin of the English Empire, falsely represented as the United Kingdom!
    • CommentAuthorRobinB
    • CommentTimeApr 1st 2010
     
    How come? (genuinely interested to hear you opinion on the English Empire, falsely represented..)
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeApr 1st 2010
     
    Devolution, ea of the British nations allowed to do it their own way, a 1000yr trend to centralisation going into reverse.

    Leaving aside pre-Norman, England lost its historic claim to unity with parts of France but developed the skill of empire-building, conquering nations it had no claim to - first Cornwall and Wales, then Scotland, finally Ireland. That was the English Empire - a long time before the phony concept of Britain, and the British Empire arose. Those long-conquered nations still retain all the character, rebelliousness and independence of separate foreign countries, despite mammoth and brutal English efforts to exterminate same.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeApr 2nd 2010
     
    Are there many Cornish people in Cornwall, most I know seem to be of Welsh, Scottish or Irish descendants. Told after 20 years down here people start talking to you :bigsmile:
    • CommentAuthorjamesingram
    • CommentTimeApr 2nd 2010 edited
     
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/mar/29/lighter-later-climate-change-campaign
    "Brighter evenings could also help the country meet our carbon emissions targets by saving almost 500,000 tonnes of CO2 each year, equivalent to taking 185,000 cars off the road permanently"

    "backed by both the Labour and Conservative party"
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/mar/28/labour-tories-back-clock-change

    Does this mean we can actually expect this to happen !
    http://www.lighterlater.org/
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeApr 2nd 2010
     
    Posted By: jamesingramBrighter evenings could also help the country meet our carbon emissions targets by saving almost 500,000 tonnes of CO2 each year, equivalent to taking 185,000 cars off the road permanently


    That will be about 6% of our emissions then, shows the scale of things
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeApr 2nd 2010
     
    Posted By: SteamyTeaAre there many Cornish people in Cornwall, most I know seem to be of Welsh, Scottish or Irish descendants
    Well, that's interesting, all Celtic cousin-nations. The English invaders stay away then? They're a surly lot, anyway, compared to cheerful Anglo-Saxon Devon.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeApr 2nd 2010
     
    Genetically the less new Cornish are from the Basque region of Spain/France. Prior to that it gets a bit cloudy, but there was trading in tin and copper going on with the 'painted people' or Pictons, which apparently got bastardised to Britons, so it could be argued that the Cornish have invaded Wessex, King Arthur may have have something to say on the subject. Devon is a different country, it is about time they finished the canal from near the head of the Tamar then it will truly be an island. Mind you Penwith may become one if we get 30m sea level rise :bigsmile:
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeApr 2nd 2010 edited
     
    Was that Greco-Roman trading for tin with the Pictons? So is Picton a Greek word? So the Pictish Isles became the British Isles (Ireland, Skye etc, Man, Wight, and the island of Great Britain)? What about Little Britain i.e. Brittany, which to this day has a district called Cornouaille? Cornwall and Brittany were one Celtic nation, long before the Scandinavian Norman invaders 'united' France and England by conquest.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeApr 2nd 2010
     
    Not sure really, just a story I heard from an American historian based over here. Sounded plausible. But then history always does.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeApr 2nd 2010
     
    Ancient Britain was inhabited by 'Picts and Scots' - according to Arthur Ransome.

    And according to Devon old-hand architect David Young, presenter of TSW's early-90s 'Cobblestones and Castles' TV series, "Joseph of Arimathea was one of the wealthiest merchants of his day. He actually held the position of Minister of Mines to the Roman Empire and his fleet of ships were used to transport tin from Cornwall to all parts of the Empire. He was the Virgin Mary's uncle and after the death of Jesus' father he would have assumed responsibility for the boy."
    Hence William Blakes 'And did those feet in ancient time/Walk upon England's mountains green?'
    "His 'Dark Satanic Mills' were the Mendip Hills: not clear and picturesque as they are today, but shrouded in black smoke clouds created by the smelting of lead."
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeApr 2nd 2010
     
    Just been looking at the map and I am west of nearly everywhere in mainland Europe. Portugal, west of Madrid in Spain are the only places west of me. Even Gibraltar is East of here. So why does Cornwall not have it's own time zone. Shall I just wait for the comments that it has, 1980! :devil:
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeApr 2nd 2010 edited
     
    Yes, Cabo de sao Vicente and Carn les Boel (where the mighty Michael/Mary line comes ashore, later thro my farmyard) are the end of the world - nothing but 1000 miles of ocean. Well, there's Scilly, the peaks of sunken Lyonesse, and mid-Atlantic scraps that may once have been Atlantis ...

    Standardised GMT was first known as 'Railway time'. In early days, local clocks were set to local solar midday (e.g. by sundial) but that gave different times of day, from E to W of the country. No problem in the stagecoach era, but fast trains were found to take longer 'down' to Bristol, than 'up' to Paddington - according to the clocks at each end (or is it the other way round).

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