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    • CommentAuthorringi
    • CommentTimeFeb 4th 2017
     
    I think it would be more then 20% savings, as when someone is not in a draft they are happy to turn down the heating, and the insulation is much more likely to be installed correct on a site that is setup to get the airtightness right.
    • CommentAuthorDarylP
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2017
     
    @ djh,
    I can answer your question.....
    No, the only change to the design was the Air permeability;
    10m3/m2h as a ADL1A max (altho' I could have used 15m3/m2h but that would not be a fair comparison)
    and
    0.6m3/m2h
    It is academic, but serves to indicate the improvement that air permeability can make to a design?
    However, as has been said above, spec built dwellings cannot reach anywhere near PH-levels of air-tightness without serious education and attitude-adjustment in UK....:sad:
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2017
     
    That is exactly what we need and to some extent the ideas of air tightness testing and thermal imaging will bring about some change.

    I can foresee a day when a home buyer will be able to get redress for missing insulation and poor levels of air tightness from spec builders which will force improvements, roll on that day.
    • CommentAuthorgravelld
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2017
     
    How can you foresee that Tony? The regulatory regime seems to be designed by including home builders; a clear conflict of interest, although not unusual given similar setups in other markets and industries.

    In light of this and the continual disinterest of home buyers I can't see how that will happen.
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2017
     
    Litigation is becoming more common, energy bills are getting higher, claims made by new homes marketing are verifiable, thermal imaging is much more accessible and cheaper and air tightness testing will follow.

    The playing field is changing.
    • CommentAuthorgravelld
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2017
     
    Hope so.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2017
     
    Try this for a light hearted view on property and investments:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0435p0k
    • CommentAuthorDarylP
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2017
     
    illuminating and funny:bigsmile::bigsmile:
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2017
     
    And generally correct, which is what will upset some people :cool:
  1.  
    Aha.

    *That* Peter Bonfield. The one on the bike cycling to the meeting 20 miles away.

    http://www.building.co.uk/peter-bonfield-the-bres-speed-merchant/3110639.article
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeFeb 9th 2017 edited
     
    I decided to go to the Office of National Statistics and look at house completions and UK population figures.

    Since 2004/2005, we have build and competed 1,882,200 homes.

    The population has increased by 1,999,26.

    Pretty good match really as they are not all one bedroom places.

    Looking at the figures from 1969/70 to last year, we have completed 10,186,740 homes, population has increased by 9,104,409, again a good match.


    We are really just whipping ourselves up into a frenzy about the lack of new homes being built.

    Seems to me that the housing market is working pretty well at the national level.

    Local level is a totally different issue as we all want to live in the country side or a coastal location but earn London wages. Maybe the real problem is not housing, or 'lack of building' but really regional wage variation.

    I think that what most people are saying is that they cannot find a home or plot, in the area they want to live and at a price they can afford.
    • CommentAuthorringi
    • CommentTimeFeb 9th 2017
     
    Posted By: SteamyTeaMaybe the real problem is not housing, or 'lack of building' but really regional wage variation.


    That is a BIG issue that is not that hard to improve, just look at the benefits from moving the BBC to Manchester. What if most of the court system for example was moved out of London.....
  2.  
    I remember some 45 years ago when I was working in London one of my co-workers when asked said "I like where I live and I like where I work, the problem is that the two are 50 miles apart!" And when I started in London another of my co-workers lived on the IOW and commuted to London daily.

    IMO the regional wage variation is an issue that is driven by regional costs that are largely driven by regional jobs.

    And don't forget the broken, not fit for purpose planning system that does a lot to hinder building houses where they are needed.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeFeb 9th 2017 edited
     
    Did the BBC not move back into the old building though (may be for other reasons), or at least not close it totally.

    I think that some of the problem was that there were some terrible schemes inn the 1980's and 90's to get companies to move area.
    When I was looking for new premises in 1989, I could have gone to South Wales and got a place rent and rates free for two years, as long as I employed 2 people. I did not take the offer up as most of my customers where local to me (except one in South Wales).
    There were larger companies than me that did take up these offers, moved in for two years and then moved out again, sometimes to another area with a similar scheme.
    I also think that Siemens took large grants to move to Scotland (or was it the NE, or Humber, can't remember) to build wind turbines, then pulled out of the UK market, so closed the factory (they may have talked of closing it, can't remember). Not sure if they paid the money back, think they may have.

    The details don't really matter, the main point is that if you encourage a company to move, it should stay, and I am not sure how you do that in practice. Maybe a special tax on the product or service leaving the factory.
    • CommentAuthorbillt
    • CommentTimeFeb 9th 2017
     
    The BBC moved out of the Oxford Road building, which is now being demolished http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/work-finally-develop-manchesters-bbc-9715275.

    They moved into Media City in Salford instead.

    Well, if you've heard any of the publicity about the 2017 City of Culture, you'ld realise that there's a Siemens factory in Hull making wind turbine blades.https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/dec/01/hull-siemens-factory-wind-turbine-blades so they obviously haven't left the UK.
    • CommentAuthorringi
    • CommentTimeFeb 9th 2017 edited
     
    Posted By: SteamyTeaDid the BBC not move back into the old building though (may be for other reasons), or at least not close it totally.


    I think they did, but then sold a lot of smaller buildings round London they were using.

    However the key is that by the BBC moving a small number of staff, lots of support companies moved to Manchester at no cost to the tax payer, and lots of new support companies have started up in Manchester. Then C4 etc opened in Manchester due to having the support companies there.

    They why I gave the High Court as an example, as if it is moved out of London at our expense, lots of legal companies will slowly do the same at no cost to the tax payer. Patten office would be another good option.

    Likewise with lots of research, if the research funding bodies would not fund any new professors for universities where the cost of living is above average the jobs would start to be spread out. However in that case, different areas of research should be clustered in different parts of the UK. (To start with make the grant for PHd students in London lower than the rest of the UK, so the best students don’t go to London.).

    It needs a long term effort to move most of the high paying government controlled jobs out of London. The problem in the past is that it was always the low paying jobs getting moved.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeFeb 9th 2017 edited
     
    As the Houses of Parliament need to be refurbished, how about moving Parliament to Lundy.
    Not sure if it would help or hinder the local economy, but would change Lundy a fair bit :wink:

    That aside, what are peoples view on the amount of housing we are building, considering it has jut about been on parity with population change.
    • CommentAuthorDarylP
    • CommentTimeFeb 9th 2017
     
    @ST,
    Do those figures include homes knocked down / demolished etc...
    Look at the Olympic Park in Stratford East. I lived in one of those crap tower blocks for a while, and they have all disappeared, perhaps 1000 homes?:sad:
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeFeb 9th 2017
     
    True
    But I don't think he tear down that many houses generally.
    Do you have any figures?
    • CommentAuthorDarylP
    • CommentTimeFeb 9th 2017
     
    L8....?:confused:
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeFeb 9th 2017
     
    Right, a quick look at:
    https://www.gov.uk/government/statistical-data-sets/live-tables-on-net-supply-of-housing

    Net housing as follows:

    2006-07.....214,940
    2007-08.....223,530
    2008-09.....182,770
    2009-10.....144,870
    2010-11.....137,390
    2011-12.....134,900
    2012-13.....124,720
    2013-14.....136,610
    2014-15.....170,690
    2015-16.....189,650

    So an overall increase of 1,660,070 in a decade.
    This included conversions i.e. a 4 bed house into flats
    A little worse than just new builds, but still almost parity with population increase.
    There has been an increase in single person households though. Not looked at those fiures.
  3.  
    Steamy are you looking to be the next Hans Rosling or something! :bigsmile:
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeFeb 9th 2017
     
    He was much better than me, but he tried to hammer home that using data can dispel common myths.
    The UK seems, on the face of it, to be building about the right number of places (who knows, we may be expelling some EU citizens and we are not taking any more Syrian children, shame on us :cry:).
    We also have plenty of land to develop, a quick look on Google Earth shows how green the UK is.
    • CommentAuthorgravelld
    • CommentTimeFeb 9th 2017 edited
     
    Posted By: SteamyTeaLocal level is a totally different issue as we all want to live in the country side or a coastal location but earn London wages. Maybe the real problem is not housing, or 'lack of building' but really regional wage variation.

    I think that what most people are saying is that they cannot find a home or plot, in the area they want to live and at a price they can afford.
    This is almost entirely the issue, AIUI from the people who are in a "frenzy".

    It's not just regional wage variation but wealth and asset price variation. Workers in London get paid a bit more than elsewhere (depending on your job) but the ability to afford to purchase a house is an entirely different matter and depends on the asset prices in the locality.

    Your second paragraph is true, the question becomes at what point that is unacceptable and economically damaging to the country as a whole (because it forces bad choices, low productivity etc etc).
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeFeb 9th 2017 edited
     
    Posted By: gravelldYour second paragraph is true, the question becomes at what point that is unacceptable and economically damaging to the country as a whole (because it forces bad choices, low productivity etc etc).
    The World Bank warned the UK that housing was over priced in 1999, that is probably when it happened.
    One problem with high property prices, and especially true when there are a relatively low volume of sales, is that 'workers' get locked into an area that may have less jobs or rapidly declining wages.
    • CommentAuthorEd Davies
    • CommentTimeFeb 9th 2017
     
    Posted By: SteamyTea…we may be expelling some EU citizens…
    But if there's a tit-for-tat on that we'll get more UK citizens back from the rest of the EU.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeFeb 9th 2017
     
    Unless they go to somewhere else sunny.
    Plenty of room up your way :wink:
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeFeb 9th 2017
     
    The news this evening had film of private rental houses in Leeds that were totally unacceptable, and the tenant that was interviewed saying she feared being back on the street again. So it isn't simply a question of the people/jobs/houses being in the wrong place, although I entirely agree that something needs to be done to make other places as attractive as London.
    • CommentAuthorwookey
    • CommentTimeFeb 12th 2017
     
    The government policy at the time was that no new standards could be introduced without savings to builders elsewhere to balance any increased costs - savings to the occupiers of buildings and to the UK weren't considered


    This is the basic problem. The system is designed by and for bulk housebuilders, and that's incredibly short-sighted. It's a complete failure to take climate change seriously in actual policy, never mind living costs.

    Brussels now has an 'all buildings must be passivhouse-grade' rule, and so does part of Dublin, and I think Exeter is trying to get such a rule through. I think that anything (much) less is just stupid, whatever other consideration you might have. Optimising for build-speed and build-cost _only_ is an abject failure of government.

    What I'm not sure of is how to fix this, as the regulatory capture seems to be quite thorough. Banging on to your MP about just how serious the emissions problem is, and why building in 100 more years of shoddy housing during this period of expansion is really stupid, is one way; but more targetted efforts of competent people in the right committees is probably more effective.
    • CommentAuthorDarylP
    • CommentTimeFeb 12th 2017
     
    +1:wink:
   
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