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    • CommentAuthorWeeBeastie
    • CommentTimeOct 31st 2021
     
    My bungalow's suspended timber floors are to have Rockwool or similar fitted below.

    Would I be ill advised to have wooden floorboards as the finished floor in the kitchen and bathroom?

    I'm not so concerned about the condition of the wood from regular small splashes and drips, more what happens if a larger splash makes it through to the insulation.

    Thanks.
    • CommentAuthorkristeva
    • CommentTimeNov 1st 2021
     
    Posted By: WeeBeastieMy bungalow's suspended timber floors are to have Rockwool or similar fitted below.

    Would I be ill advised to have wooden floorboards as the finished floor in the kitchen and bathroom?

    I'm not so concerned about the condition of the wood from regular small splashes and drips, more what happens if a larger splash makes it through to the insulation.

    Thanks.


    I assume this is on ground level? How damp does your sub floor get? You'll need to protect the insulation from the underside too I guess. Other folk on here will know more about this than me.

    I'll also be utilising the original floorboards in my bathroom too, sealing all the gaps is important. If you decide to finish with a varnish I'd use a good strong one as there's no ability to 'touch up' any worn patches in high traffic areas. You'll have to strip the room, sand the old varnish off and redo again. That's why I'll be using a wax which you can retouch.

    I think Rockwool is considered superior to glass fibre, its supposedly breathable and repels water but nasty stuff to work with. Whether it would dry out after a large spillage I don't know, make sure your air bricks are working well.
    • CommentAuthorRobL
    • CommentTimeNov 1st 2021
     
    I would use rockwool batts squeezed and pushed into place, belt and braces using chickenwire or similar staple-gunned in place. Hammer in all the floorboard nail heads, sand the floor (rent a big lawnmower type sander), varnish, seal the cracks up with a flexible clear sealant, I'd guess like this one:

    https://www.screwfix.com/p/ob1-multi-surface-sealant-adhesive-clear-290ml/434jf

    I think you need to prevent warm high absolute humidity house air getting to the insulation and condensing in it as it cools. The cooler underside will be low absolute humidity, so best to leave vapour open as a backup in case some water gets into the insulation from above.

    Nb: I'm just a diy-er...
    We have varnished floors (but not suspended). I always use DiamondHard floor varnish, it takes 3 coats generally, and worn areas can be touched up after careful cleaning. There are tougher longer lasting ones, but I think they all have longer drying times which is impractical for us, and I think often smell which gives me a headache. We heavily sanded 20 years ago, since then have just locally cleaned or slight sanding & varnished when needed.
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeNov 1st 2021
     
    I realise it may be too much of a floor build up, but you could first line the floor with plywood e.g. T&G and then nail/glue the the wood boards onto the ply.
    However, timber flooring in wet rooms wouldn't be my first choice. I prefer ceramic or stone coupled with electric under floor resistive cable, with suitable controls.
  1.  
    Thank you all for the replies.

    As you allude to, owlman, one reason for the floorboards-only option is to keep the floor level with the hallway, but I could live with a small build up if necessary. The others are cost, warmth, and being free of having to commit to a tile/Marmoleum colour :)

    The soil below was very damp and had caused rot in the joists and boards, but since laying polythene and sand this problem seems solved. There are also lots of vents and 1.0 - 1.2m of clearance below, so hopefully there won't be an issue on that side of the insulation.

    My other boards are finished with Auro hard wax so that would be my first choice. It seems very water resistant and hard wearing.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeNov 1st 2021
     
    Posted By: WeeBeastiebeing free of having to commit to a tile/Marmoleum colour :)

    Yes, I was planning to use Marmoleum and then I saw the range of colours/patterns available and decided not. I noticed recently that the range has improved a bit though, so I may reconsider when the time comes to replace some flooring.
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeNov 1st 2021
     
    I wouldn't worry about some build up between rooms. When I put insulation and resistive cables under my new hallway stone floor there was build up of levels to the adjacent bedrooms and guest loo. I fitted polished oak ramps covering the whole width of the door casings. It's hardly noticeable now and is quite a nice feature.
    • CommentAuthorkristeva
    • CommentTimeNov 1st 2021
     
    Posted By: WeeBeastie

    The soil below was very damp and had caused rot in the joists and boards, but since laying polythene and sand this problem seems solved.


    What exactly does this polythene and sand involve WeeBeastie? I'm interested because my floor gets damp too.
  2.  
    I thought that the recommendation was to put a VCL between floorboards and joists when insulating between joists on a suspended floor. If so this would solve any problems of spills going down into the insulation. But of course would do nothing for spills staying between the floor boards and the VCL where in some areas (e.g. just outside the shower) persistent damp could be a problem.

    But
    Posted By: owlmanHowever, timber flooring in wet rooms wouldn't be my first choice. I prefer ceramic or stone coupled with electric under floor resistive cable, with suitable controls.

    I'm with owiman here.
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeNov 1st 2021
     
    The traditional approach on suspended floors was to use a heavy grade Kraft Union paper ( 2 layer with a bitumen layer between, you can get it with an added fine mesh strengthening layer too ). I've used it often on trad. nailed floors although there are other alternatives.
    Whatever you do however you need to make sure the floor is free from bounce. especially if you go down the ceramic or stone route.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeNov 2nd 2021
     
    Posted By: kristevaWhat exactly does this polythene and sand involve WeeBeastie? I'm interested because my floor gets damp too.

    I believe he's just referring to laying a DPM on the ground with some sand on top to hold it in place, but he may have laid sand as a blinding layer before the DPM. Or both?
  3.  
    Posted By: djh
    Posted By: kristevaWhat exactly does this polythene and sand involve WeeBeastie? I'm interested because my floor gets damp too.

    I believe he's just referring to laying a DPM on the ground with some sand on top to hold it in place, but he may have laid sand as a blinding layer before the DPM. Or both?


    Sorry for delay. Yes, DPM with a layer of sand on top. The other options quoted were some sort of membrane, or concrete. I went for sand because it was the cheapest, and reversible (which was handy when I needed to dig a trial pit to check the foundations).
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