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Green Building Bible, Fourth Edition
Green Building Bible, fourth edition (both books)
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeNov 8th 2023
     
    Has anybody used any of the online [embodied] carbon calculators? I'm interested to try to work out how well or badly my house comes out, given it wasn't an explicit goal at the time.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeNov 9th 2023 edited
     
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeNov 9th 2023
     
    Dave, how would you envisage getting a baseline from which to compare "how well or badly" your home was doing. Surely all spec builds are unique, even more so with yours.
    Aren't you maybe going to end up down a rabbit hole, or is this a precursor to something else?
    BTW I have no experience of such calculators, just curious.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeNov 9th 2023 edited
     
    I don't think I need a particular baseline? I just want to work out how much carbon I 'spent' (e.g. concrete and lorries etc) and how much I 'invested' (timber & straw etc) in building my house. Then I can compare against any other published figures.

    BTW, this week's Grand Designs seemed like a great example of out-of-date thinking. It's trying to be the UK's firt Passivhaus Premium but it seems to me they've lost the plot. A few years ago that would have been something to celebrate but now it just looks like conspicuous consumption. It was 550 m², and used a large amount of concrete, steel, polystyrene and other things.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeNov 9th 2023
     
    Say more Dave - 'conspicuous consumption' - is it the point the the book makes, that not so long ago energy consumed (or carbon emitted) in-use was the all-important thing, but in fact energy/carbon embodied (i.e. locked in before anyone starts using the building - materials mining, fabricating, transport, construction) has the longest continuous therefore disproportionate climate effect.

    So "a few years ago", "large amount of concrete, steel, polystyrene and other things" were OK if they resulted in small in-use carbon - but now that "looks like conspicuous consumption", "out-of-date thinking".

    Yes, a wake-up call.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeNov 9th 2023
     
    Indeed so, Tom
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    Posted By: fostertomSo "a few years ago", "large amount of concrete, steel, polystyrene and other things" were OK if they resulted in small in-use carbon -

    Perhaps because "a few years ago" small in-use carbon (energy) was still fairly expensive to produce in environmental terms whereas today in-use-energy is becoming more and more 'green' and energy-in-use becomes less important or even to the point of not important if it saves carbon build cost.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeNov 9th 2023
     
    Posted By: Peter_in_Hungary
    Posted By: fostertomSo "a few years ago", "large amount of concrete, steel, polystyrene and other things" were OK if they resulted in small in-use carbon -

    Perhaps because "a few years ago" small in-use carbon (energy) was still fairly expensive to produce in environmental terms whereas today in-use-energy is becoming more and more 'green' and energy-in-use becomes less important or even to the point of not important if it saves carbon build cost.
    Yes, but not quite. The carbon cost of operational energy is still important, except in rare cases. Plus the urgency of the crisis has become more apparent (to me at least) so the priorities change.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeNov 9th 2023
     
    I found something called ec3 and tried that. But I couldn't get on with it so gave up, and now I've found something called meshworks but I haven't used it yet. Does anybody know of any others?
    • CommentAuthorbogal2
    • CommentTimeNov 9th 2023
     
    PH Ribbon is one I think.

    https://www.phribbon.co.uk
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeNov 9th 2023
     
    Posted By: bogal2PH Ribbon is one I think.
    Indeed but I was hoping to find something that didn't involve spending so much money to satisfy my interest.
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    At the risk of contravening forum rules, you might want to check out the free one my practice developed:

    https://portal.fcbstudios.com/fcbscarbon

    It is primarily focused on commercial scale projects, but I think the methodology scales to any size. More importantly it is intended as a design tool at early stages rather than providing a fully itemised retrospective analysis. But with those caveats out of the way, I think it might still be useful to you.

    The thing I learned with undertaking a similar exercise on my own passivhaus build was that there is no 'end point' to the exercise, you can just keep breaking things into constituent material flows. I got into counting individual bolts on the structural frame and then realised that my M&E was still just a composite figure rather than accounting for all the circuitry, gaskets and pipework of the internal workings, because there was no available information on this aspect.

    There's also massive range in the reporting on EPD certificates. Some companies give you kgCO2e/m3, but others give a linear rate or even a figure derived from a notional construction build-up. Raised Access Floor is particularly bad, both in carbon terms and the way in which they document their products.

    That's before you get into the sequestration argument. Lots of manufacturers use clever accounting to make certain ingredients 'carbon positive' in order to offset the other processes. So whether you are counting 'Cradle to Gate' or 'Cradle to Landfill' also makes a big difference in lifecycle terms.

    Good luck, but as the aphorism goes 'Don't Let the Perfect be the Enemy of the Good'.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeNov 11th 2023
     
    That is valuable practical findings D_T - confirming what the book linked to above tells in admirable (and understandable) detail, in the chapter about LCA.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeNov 11th 2023
     
    Posted By: Doubting_Thomasyou might want to check out the free one my practice developed
    Many thanks, I'll give it a try :)

    And thanks for the warnings about the limits of the process. I was fairly sceptical anyway, but now I know some specifics to look for.
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