Tue, 19 Dec 2023 07:34:48 +0000 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.0.3 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=16359&Focus=277355#Comment_277355 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=16359&Focus=277355#Comment_277355 Tue, 10 Dec 2019 17:28:40 +0000 jamesingram http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=16359&Focus=277357#Comment_277357 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=16359&Focus=277357#Comment_277357 Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:39:41 +0000 djh
For myself, I don't trust whatever Boris or Jeremy say.]]> http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=16359&Focus=277358#Comment_277358 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=16359&Focus=277358#Comment_277358 Tue, 10 Dec 2019 20:05:04 +0000 jamesingram
I'm similarly not keen on either but there's several key areas that attract me to Labour , one being it's environmental policies.

( i speak as a remain voter that thinks we should have Brexit )]]> http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=16359&Focus=277359#Comment_277359 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=16359&Focus=277359#Comment_277359 Tue, 10 Dec 2019 20:16:15 +0000 vord
It frightens me that people are takling about throwing hundreds of billions into green stuff. Ultimately most money goes into energy use at the end of the day. I've not found a party that seems to think about that sort of thing. It's all way hey lets solve the problem by increasing consumption.

(Speaking as someone who is destitute as nobody in the UK is going to give me work until the B word is over and done with. Currently I'm flying a lot to get work and that's not good. It's all nonsense!)]]> http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=16359&Focus=277361#Comment_277361 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=16359&Focus=277361#Comment_277361 Tue, 10 Dec 2019 22:02:19 +0000 fostertom
Labour going in exactly the opposite direction. After the false dawn of Ed Milliband, the best Env Sec that never was, Labour's young smarts, writing books like
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fully-Automated-Luxury-Communism-Manifesto/dp/1786632624/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=FALC&qid=1576014681&sr=8-1 and
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Now-We-Have-Your-Attention/dp/1847925405/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=now+we+have+your+attENTIon&qid=1576019339&smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&sr=8-1
have by far the best grip on the future, if anyone can. That future includes, but is far from limited to, the fullest embrace, by any power-serious party perhaps worldwide, of Thunberg's message - 'Listen to the Scientists'.

Certainly, Labour has the most ambitious Green programme in UK, plus for me, it's embedded in a future-looking radicalism that's not only far wider than just 'Green', but is just a whisker away from actual power.

For Lab, the prospect of power is because of increased radicalism, whereas that same prospect for the Greens depends on toning it down.]]> http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=16359&Focus=277366#Comment_277366 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=16359&Focus=277366#Comment_277366 Wed, 11 Dec 2019 10:21:05 +0000 dickster
Will vote Green Party again, in the hope that they grab a few seats and might hold a decisive position post election.]]> http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=16359&Focus=277374#Comment_277374 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=16359&Focus=277374#Comment_277374 Wed, 11 Dec 2019 22:42:50 +0000 philedge Posted By: vordMy collegue refused to accept my point that you can ignore the environmental impact of constructing a new 4 or 5 bedroom executive home, and just be pleased by the warm glow you get by saving £200/year in energy.

It's all way hey lets solve the problem by increasing consumption.



Assuming your colleague knows your house, I think he was right not to accept your point- its increasing consumption to solve a problem.]]> http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=16359&Focus=277385#Comment_277385 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=16359&Focus=277385#Comment_277385 Thu, 12 Dec 2019 19:59:48 +0000 dimengineer http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=16359&Focus=277386#Comment_277386 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=16359&Focus=277386#Comment_277386 Fri, 13 Dec 2019 01:31:55 +0000 fostertom
from Matthew Goodwin, 'a politics professor who specialises in explaining the rise of populism':
"Labour's problem is that it's breaking into 3 parties (1) liberal degree-holding Brahmin Left, (2) dwindling blue-collar, socially conservative Traditional Left, (3) students + ethnic minorities".

Only (3) put 'Green' policies as integral with, inseparable from social and economic. To (1), 'being electable' makes 'Green' highly optional, and also sidelines the future-aware bits of social and economic.

UK's only hope to get a grip has failed, till (3) come of age - 25yrs? That's too late to make what's left of UK a player in re-greening humanity, unless XR and its successors continue to pull rabbits out of hats.]]>