Green Building Forum - carbon calculator Tue, 19 Dec 2023 04:04:48 +0000 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.0.3 carbon calculator http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18015&Focus=304182#Comment_304182 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18015&Focus=304182#Comment_304182 Wed, 08 Nov 2023 22:24:51 +0000 djh carbon calculator http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18015&Focus=304183#Comment_304183 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18015&Focus=304183#Comment_304183 Thu, 09 Nov 2023 08:56:06 +0000 fostertom https://www.amazon.co.uk/Build-Beyond-Zero-Carbon-Smart-Architecture/dp/1642832111/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1OLT8QLNG7971&keywords=build+beyond+zero&qid=1699520118&sprefix=build+beyond+zero%2Caps%2C198&sr=8-1 ?
Eye opener.
Current cheapest seems to be
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Everyone should read it.]]> carbon calculator http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18015&Focus=304185#Comment_304185 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18015&Focus=304185#Comment_304185 Thu, 09 Nov 2023 13:44:17 +0000 owlman Aren't you maybe going to end up down a rabbit hole, or is this a precursor to something else?
BTW I have no experience of such calculators, just curious.]]> carbon calculator http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18015&Focus=304188#Comment_304188 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18015&Focus=304188#Comment_304188 Thu, 09 Nov 2023 16:30:37 +0000 djh
BTW, this week's Grand Designs seemed like a great example of out-of-date thinking. It's trying to be the UK's firt Passivhaus Premium but it seems to me they've lost the plot. A few years ago that would have been something to celebrate but now it just looks like conspicuous consumption. It was 550 m², and used a large amount of concrete, steel, polystyrene and other things.]]> carbon calculator http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18015&Focus=304190#Comment_304190 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18015&Focus=304190#Comment_304190 Thu, 09 Nov 2023 19:16:06 +0000 fostertom
So "a few years ago", "large amount of concrete, steel, polystyrene and other things" were OK if they resulted in small in-use carbon - but now that "looks like conspicuous consumption", "out-of-date thinking".

Yes, a wake-up call.]]> carbon calculator http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18015&Focus=304191#Comment_304191 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18015&Focus=304191#Comment_304191 Thu, 09 Nov 2023 20:08:18 +0000 djh carbon calculator http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18015&Focus=304192#Comment_304192 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18015&Focus=304192#Comment_304192 Thu, 09 Nov 2023 20:50:10 +0000 Peter_in_Hungary Posted By: fostertomSo "a few years ago", "large amount of concrete, steel, polystyrene and other things" were OK if they resulted in small in-use carbon -
Perhaps because "a few years ago" small in-use carbon (energy) was still fairly expensive to produce in environmental terms whereas today in-use-energy is becoming more and more 'green' and energy-in-use becomes less important or even to the point of not important if it saves carbon build cost.]]> carbon calculator http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18015&Focus=304193#Comment_304193 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18015&Focus=304193#Comment_304193 Thu, 09 Nov 2023 21:37:28 +0000 djh Posted By: Peter_in_Hungary
Posted By: fostertomSo "a few years ago", "large amount of concrete, steel, polystyrene and other things" were OK if they resulted in small in-use carbon -

Perhaps because "a few years ago" small in-use carbon (energy) was still fairly expensive to produce in environmental terms whereas today in-use-energy is becoming more and more 'green' and energy-in-use becomes less important or even to the point of not important if it saves carbon build cost.Yes, but not quite. The carbon cost of operational energy is still important, except in rare cases. Plus the urgency of the crisis has become more apparent (to me at least) so the priorities change.]]> carbon calculator http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18015&Focus=304194#Comment_304194 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18015&Focus=304194#Comment_304194 Thu, 09 Nov 2023 21:38:49 +0000 djh carbon calculator http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18015&Focus=304195#Comment_304195 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18015&Focus=304195#Comment_304195 Thu, 09 Nov 2023 21:46:23 +0000 bogal2
https://www.phribbon.co.uk]]> carbon calculator http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18015&Focus=304196#Comment_304196 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18015&Focus=304196#Comment_304196 Thu, 09 Nov 2023 21:59:36 +0000 djh Posted By: bogal2PH Ribbon is one I think.Indeed but I was hoping to find something that didn't involve spending so much money to satisfy my interest.]]> carbon calculator http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18015&Focus=304205#Comment_304205 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18015&Focus=304205#Comment_304205 Fri, 10 Nov 2023 13:55:05 +0000 Doubting_Thomas
https://portal.fcbstudios.com/fcbscarbon

It is primarily focused on commercial scale projects, but I think the methodology scales to any size. More importantly it is intended as a design tool at early stages rather than providing a fully itemised retrospective analysis. But with those caveats out of the way, I think it might still be useful to you.

The thing I learned with undertaking a similar exercise on my own passivhaus build was that there is no 'end point' to the exercise, you can just keep breaking things into constituent material flows. I got into counting individual bolts on the structural frame and then realised that my M&E was still just a composite figure rather than accounting for all the circuitry, gaskets and pipework of the internal workings, because there was no available information on this aspect.

There's also massive range in the reporting on EPD certificates. Some companies give you kgCO2e/m3, but others give a linear rate or even a figure derived from a notional construction build-up. Raised Access Floor is particularly bad, both in carbon terms and the way in which they document their products.

That's before you get into the sequestration argument. Lots of manufacturers use clever accounting to make certain ingredients 'carbon positive' in order to offset the other processes. So whether you are counting 'Cradle to Gate' or 'Cradle to Landfill' also makes a big difference in lifecycle terms.

Good luck, but as the aphorism goes 'Don't Let the Perfect be the Enemy of the Good'.]]> carbon calculator http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18015&Focus=304208#Comment_304208 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18015&Focus=304208#Comment_304208 Sat, 11 Nov 2023 08:31:03 +0000 fostertom carbon calculator http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18015&Focus=304210#Comment_304210 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18015&Focus=304210#Comment_304210 Sat, 11 Nov 2023 10:05:09 +0000 djh Posted By: Doubting_Thomasyou might want to check out the free one my practice developedMany thanks, I'll give it a try :)

And thanks for the warnings about the limits of the process. I was fairly sceptical anyway, but now I know some specifics to look for.]]>