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    • CommentAuthorludite
    • CommentTimeJul 1st 2008
     
    Just wondered if any of you had a preferred kitchen work surface material and would like to share your thoughts and opinions.
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    I saw an interesting work top recently made from old terracotta roof tiles. They had been broken up into pieces between 2-6 inches big and stuck down in a mosaic style with lime grout. I didnt realise that you could use a sander to smooth and shape these tiles, so you can make very organic shapes and you end up with a very smooth, flat surface. I think they used some type of oil sealer which made the terracotta colours come out beautifuly.
    • CommentAuthorludite
    • CommentTimeJul 1st 2008
     
    Thanks Bot de paille. I like the idea as a floor, or wall, but not keen as a worksurface. . . . . cutting, wiping, food prep, spills like red wine, what about fragments of the grout getting into food stuff. Is lime poisonous?
    • CommentAuthorTheDoctor
    • CommentTimeJul 1st 2008
     
    85 % recycled glass and can be backlit too.

    http://www.eightinch.co.uk/

    have seen it in understated grey tones and it looked good (in that particular setting)
    • CommentAuthorjoe.e
    • CommentTimeJul 1st 2008
     
    Wood! Always wood for me, great big chunks of lovely tree. My current kitchen is elm, 60mm thick, 500mm wide in single boards. Oil finish (tung oil) where it might get scratched or cut on, gloss varnish where it might get wet - maybe even epoxy undercoat and two-pot polyurethane varnish by the sink.
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      CommentAuthorKatymac
    • CommentTimeJul 1st 2008
     
    I know granite and marble are not very green but they are nice:shamed:

    Someone recently was talking about soapstone worksurfaces - but I worried that a) they wouldn't be any greener than the others & b) that it would be too soft
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      CommentAuthorrichy
    • CommentTimeJul 1st 2008
     
    Air is best.

    The components of your meal never actually touch anything.

    Air is pumped through tiny holes in the non work surface and the food hovers just above.
    • CommentAuthorludite
    • CommentTimeJul 1st 2008
     
    Thedoctor. This happens to be one of my favourites. I've seen it where they can inlay circles and then light them from below - so they look like neon mug rings. My problems with this is :it's cool to the touch, like marble/granite. It's also hard - so if you drop a glass on it WILL break, not MIGHT break, and, most importantly, you can't get integral sinks - just the ones which sit under the work top. . . . . .hidden places for dirt and leaks bother me.:confused: Having said that, I really like it's looks and credentials.

    joe.e. I like wood - really, - I do. I'll have it as a table top and almost everywhere else, and that's the problem. . . . . . Wood on a fitted kitchen worktop is a little like overkill. It's the join between the worktop and cooker/sink which is a bit of a problem area for me.

    Sorry katymac, granite and marble. . . . . . they are . . . . . .so . . . . . .COLD. . . .BRRRRRR. When Italian restaurants first became popular they all had marble tables. . . .can't touch them, they suck the heat out of me.. . . . . . besides that, what i find interesting is that there are disclaimers next to the work surfaces. . . . ."if you put a hot pan on me i might just shatter into a million pieces". . . . . . . now, I'm sure this has never happened to any one,. . . .ever. . . . . . but having said that i was at a party once where a solid glass vase exploded - because it was next to the fire and one side got hotter than the other. . . . . . .

    I’m not looking for an arguement, it’s just that when I build my dream home I want to be in the worlds best kitchen. That’s something that is easy to clean, hardwearing, lasts for ever, is ‘timeless’, doesn’t cost the earth and all the rest of it.
    • CommentAuthorludite
    • CommentTimeJul 1st 2008
     
    richy. SO! the guys from friends have a football table, you're suggesting one of the air hockey ones!!!!! will I have to put 50p in to activate the tiny jetstream?
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      CommentAuthorrichy
    • CommentTimeJul 1st 2008
     
    It's technology used on cnc woodworking machines and for cutting plate glass, due to burst into the food industry!
    • CommentAuthorSimonH
    • CommentTimeJul 1st 2008
     
    Well I'll be doing my kitchen soon and I'm interested in the smile plastics range especially the recycled yoghurt pot worktops but haven't seen / touched a sample yet.

    http://www.smile-plastics.co.uk/hips.htm

    If you want bling - how about this with used banknotes ....

    http://www.smile-plastics.co.uk/ben.htm - ka ching!
    • CommentAuthorllwynbedw
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008
     
    Posted By: luditeJust wondered if any of you had a preferred kitchen work surface material and would like to share your thoughts and opinions.

    Corian isn't that green, I suppose, but it can be repaired when things go wrong so you don't have to junk an entire worktop it it gets damaged (although we have found it to be pretty tough). It can also be formed into different shapes e.g. into a rising lip at the the rear of the worktop where it meets the wall and so on. It's not cold to the touch like marble. On the whole it's a nice surface to work with.

    Jamie Oliver recommends a worktop made of wood and just chopping on the wood and giving it a quick squirt of very dilute anti-bacterial liquid once a day or so. Problem is that I can't see how you could avoid a gradual 'hollowing out' of the surface where you do most of your chopping and slicing.

    Dan
    • CommentAuthorTheDoctor
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008
     
    i'm putting in a bamboo worktop

    looks good


    having had an old Belfast sink for a long time, the point about stone finishes breaking glasses and plates is very valid. Things almost bounce off a stainless steel sink, but the old Belfast munches them up without a flicker.
    • CommentAuthorSaint
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008
     
    The Doctor,
    The recycled glass sounds fantastic, I'm in the market for a new kitchen myself.
    The question is what do you do at corners and sink cutouts?
    I know if you go for Corian as Llywnbedw suggests the whole worktop is pre fabricated in one piece to include all these things.
    Is that the same for the glass?
    • CommentAuthorTheDoctor
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008
     
    Dan,

    nothing like an authentic old butchers block for your chopping.

    You can see how hollowed out they become after decades of abuse.

    It will take a mere mortal in a domestic kitchen many many many years to make a significant dent in a wooden worktop - and anyway - it's character!

    Buy an old butchers block on Ebay - not an Ikea replica - but a battered and warped old maple block.
    • CommentAuthorjoe.e
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008
     
    Posted By: ludite
    joe.e. I like wood - really, - I do. I'll have it as a table top and almost everywhere else, and that's the problem. . . . . . Wood on a fitted kitchen worktop is a little like overkill. It's the join between the worktop and cooker/sink which is a bit of a problem area for me.

    Yes, that is a bit of a problem. At the moment I've got a Belfast sink; the worktops butt up to it on both sides, then there's a 2"x6" running across the back, sat on top of the worktop and overlapping ont the back edge of the sink. The tap comes up through the 2x6, which forms a little shelf at the back of the worktop. The trick is t varnish the worktops very heavily before fitting, especially on the end-grain where it's going to sit against the sink. Then you fit it with silicon or whatever. As it happens, I'm just starting to re-work our kitchen a bit; I'm going to strip off the worktop beside the sink and re-seal it with epoxy then 2-part polyurethane varnish - boatbuilding finish, basically, which should keep it nice indefinitely.
    The thing about a wooden worktop is that it ages gracefully. I use a wooden chopping board on top, but things get scratched and chipped over time. Hardwood, finished with oil not varnish in the food prep. area, looks fine when it's a bit battered, whereas your polished granite or whatever looks awful with any tiny scratch, and you can never get them out.
    Ultimately it's a question of taste, though. I like natural materials, as raw and unfinished as possible, and I like wood best of all. Our worktops are single pieces of elm, pre dutch-elm disease English elm I bought from a retiring woodworker ten years ago. The grain is wild and complex, and repeated treatment with tung oil has given a gorgeous dark, rich finish. There's nothing like it, for me, but as I say, it's personal taste in the end.
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008 edited
     
    Posted By: ludite Sorry katymac, granite and marble. . . . . . they are . . . . . .so . . . . . .COLD. . . .BRRRRRR.


    Easy to fix that just stick an electric UFH mat to the underside. Nice and warm. :-)
    • CommentAuthorTheDoctor
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008
     
    marble is a hard one to warm

    there is something odd about it

    put your hand on cold granite for 5 minutes - there will be a residual warm patch
    do the same with marble, and it stay cold. brrr

    a wee trick told to me by my StoneMason.


    on that note, my old damaged stone flags from the garage floor (now living room) that have been sitting gathering dust and rain outside will soon be transformed into a short flight of steps and a hearth. Cant wait
    • CommentAuthorgreenman
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008
     
    joe.e - I'm with you when it comes to wood, though the thought of your now extremely rare and valuable elm boards serving time as a kitchen work surface almost makes me weep - windsor chairs (an interest of mine) traditionally had seats made from single planks of Elm, which is probably why your retiring carpenter had them. Unfortunately, with the ravages of Dutch Elm disease, trees large enough to provide planks wide enough for the job are almost non-existent in this country, and as you have said, properly treated, Elm can look fantastic - what a loss!
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      CommentAuthoragu
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008
     
    These have a good look about them, but are from the states so a lot of transport!

    http://www.tmi-online.com/
    • CommentAuthorludite
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008
     
    Agu. The site looks great, and I would certainly pick that type of surface over a granite type one, but stone surfaces are just too cold and hard for me.

    I LOVE the smile plastic range, and I have seen it in situ at the Dalby Forest visitors centre. I'm certainly considering using their mobile phone sheets as a side to our bath, and I'm wondering how i could use their rubber wellies sheets too. I'm just not sure they will work as a worksurface. they are made from plastic milk bottles - try putting a hot pan on a plastic milk bottle and see what happens!

    I have a special plastic cutting board for my craft work. Its green memory plastic which reheals itself. I haven't actually seen one as a work surface and I wonder how it would react to heat, but it's nice to do detailed cutting on.
    • CommentAuthorjoe.e
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008
     
    Posted By: greenmanjoe.e - I'm with you when it comes to wood, though the thought of your now extremely rare and valuable elm boards serving time as a kitchen work surface almost makes me weep - windsor chairs (an interest of mine) traditionally had seats made from single planks of Elm, which is probably why your retiring carpenter had them. Unfortunately, with the ravages of Dutch Elm disease, trees large enough to provide planks wide enough for the job are almost non-existent in this country, and as you have said, properly treated, Elm can look fantastic - what a loss!

    There's no shame in being a kitchen worktop, for a noble piece of timber! But yes, I couldn't believe it when he got the boards out of the back of the workshop - 2m long x 5-600mm, 60 mm thick, 5 for £50 each. I had them in the back of the van in about 30 seconds...
    • CommentAuthorludite
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008
     
    Richy. You weren't joking then? There really is an air worktop! can you post a link?

    In the 36 year old kitchen I am sitting in now, there are 3 different surfaces. Stainless steel abutts white formica and there is an area of. . . some sort of composite stone made from marble chips (looks a bit like a recycled glass worktop but from the 70's) That was put in as it's cold and it's used for pastry making.

    The formica as a surface has worn very well. There is one faded burn ring from a very hot pan (potatoes boiled dry 20 years ago). The problem is, that at the edges it has lifted up and won't stick down again.

    The stainless steel has the patina of a million scratches but apart from that, its the joins again.. . . . sealed with silicon it just won't stick down properly and the kids keep poking it out.

    the 'marble' top has gradually stained in places with endless cups of tea, but usually scrubs up ok with a bit of cream cleaner.

    I have to say that a Corian type worksurface would be my ultimate choice. I think there are a few types on the market - silestone - for instance. I don't know it's green credentials. I'd love to find something like it that is made from a percentage of recycled material. Its the fact there are no joins, it's warmer/softer than stone, doesn't seem to need the maintaince of wood, can stand high temperatures, can cut on it without blunting your knife, sand out any blemishes - if you feel the need.

    The technology is quite new though. i wondered if anyone on the forum actually has a corian worktop and what their experiences are.

    Joe.e. Your worksurfaces really do sound great. Wood (or stainless steel) would probably be my preference if it wasn't for the development of Corian. . . . . . come to think of it, as a Ludite shouldn't I be spurning all things new?:confused:
    • CommentAuthorllwynbedw
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008
     
    Posted By: luditeI have to say that a Corian type worksurface would be my ultimate choice. I think there are a few types on the market - silestone - for instance. I don't know it's green credentials. I'd love to find something like it that is made from a percentage of recycled material. Its the fact there are no joins, it's warmer/softer than stone, doesn't seem to need the maintaince of wood, can stand high temperatures, can cut on it without blunting your knife, sand out any blemishes - if you feel the need.

    The technology is quite new though. i wondered if anyone on the forum actually has a corian worktop and what their experiences are.

    Lud, it's not that new. Corian has been around in the UK since the 1970s I believe. Yes, we have Corian and it has lived up to the hype. Warm to the touch, easy to clean, we were able to get it formed to the exact shape we wanted and it seems to be very durable as well. We had a choice between Corian and granite and I have no complaints about the Corian.

    Dan
    • CommentAuthorgreenman
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008
     
    I know it's not 'green', and would doubtless be cold, break everyone's crockery, not have the benefit of an air cushion, and in any event completely contradicts my stated love of wood, but I've seen a work top cast on site from concrete which was then polished to give a glassy finish. You can (in theory) add all sorts of substances and dyes to make it interesting, but even just with any old agregate exposed and polished I think it looks nicer than concrete has any right to look.

    To counter (no pun intended) the 'greenness' issue though, all the other options for work tops have to be manufactured in some way - even wood has to be machined - so perhaps concrete, which can be made on site and cast to any shape has its place...(maybe)...
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    TheDoctor needs a plastic daisy thingy from Italy for the bottom of his Belfast sink. I had the same problem with glassware until I bought this device in Milan. I've not seen them in the UK though. Essentially what I have is a funkier version of a rectangular plastic doily which softens the impact. Helps pan clatter too.
    • CommentAuthorgreenman
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008
     
    Perhaps there's a business (import) opportunity for you there mrswhitecat - lots of belfast sinks gone/going into kitchens recently!
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      CommentAuthorrogerwhit
    • CommentTimeJul 3rd 2008
     
    I've always avoided Corian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corian" >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corian on principle - interesting to hear from its adherents!

    I WOULD use granite, but only if UK sourced I think - there's cheaper Indian stuff out there but do they have health and safety in the quarries & workshops, never mind the miles?

    Being in Wales, for around a Belfast sink I'd choose slate - and oil it with linseed thinned with turps. It's then quite dark, but in the high rainfall places that slate comes from we're used to that. Over time it will acquire a patina of scratches, but the oil can be renewed which masks them somewhat by evening out the colour. Slate, often thought of as being even in colour, often exhibits subtle patternings (ripples, bandings ...) that a clear finish (or temporary wetting) will accentuate.

    Otherwise, it's WOOD for me. And OSMO Top Oil has a lovely matt finish.
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      CommentAuthorrogerwhit
    • CommentTimeJul 3rd 2008
     
    Sorry, people, I mucked up the hyperlink. Oh well.
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      CommentAuthorrichy
    • CommentTimeJul 3rd 2008
     
    Luddite, I was thinking ouside the box, a layer of air over a surface is often used in industry allowing heavy objects to glide.

    I would like a crumb extraction facility, located near my toaster.

    Surely stainless steel is the best option? Hygenic, indestructable, recycleable, astheticly pleasing.

    I love those stainless free standing units with built in hob, fridge, and sink that are available for small spaces.

    Surely wood is unhealthy?
   
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