Green Building Forum - BEES emergency Tue, 19 Dec 2023 06:02:46 +0000 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.0.3 BEES emergency http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=170244#Comment_170244 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=170244#Comment_170244 Thu, 14 Mar 2013 20:42:51 +0000 jamesingram https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/page/speakout/bees-urgent-vote
"Tomorrow, Environment Secretary Owen Paterson will be in Europe voting on whether to suspend the use of pesticides which are being blamed for killing our bees.Right now he is planning on scuppering the plans.

If Owen Paterson hears from his fellow MPs that their constituents are furious, it could persuade him to vote the right way. Can you take 2 minutes now to email your MP and ask them to tell Owen Paterson to protect our bees? Enter your postcode on the right to get started"]]> BEES emergency http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=170247#Comment_170247 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=170247#Comment_170247 Thu, 14 Mar 2013 21:30:12 +0000 Triassic BEES emergency http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=170249#Comment_170249 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=170249#Comment_170249 Thu, 14 Mar 2013 22:11:43 +0000 docmartin BEES emergency http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=170256#Comment_170256 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=170256#Comment_170256 Thu, 14 Mar 2013 22:34:43 +0000 finny BEES emergency http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=170278#Comment_170278 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=170278#Comment_170278 Fri, 15 Mar 2013 09:38:42 +0000 fostertom BEES emergency http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=170293#Comment_170293 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=170293#Comment_170293 Fri, 15 Mar 2013 10:53:59 +0000 calvinmiddle
My Dad is a avid beekeep and my Grandfather kept bees before that.

Here is some extra if you want to add to the pre-written bit

Bees are important pollinators and reseach collated in 2007 by The National Audit Office estimated the value of the bees' services at £200m a year. The retail value of what they pollinate was valued closer to £1bn. These figures are now 6 years out of date so these figures will have only gobe up.

Beekeepers have been struggling over the last decade with many dieases threatening the survival of bees, these include Varroa mites, American Foul Brood, colony collapse and nosema ceranae.

A ban on pesticdes killing bees may just reverse the decline and allow the UK population of bees to recover.]]> BEES emergency http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=170295#Comment_170295 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=170295#Comment_170295 Fri, 15 Mar 2013 11:09:49 +0000 bella
This business of the bees really is very, very serious, a perfect storm. PLEASE listen to the independent toxicologists who know what they are taking about. So called nicotinic insecticides induce paralysis by blocking the action of the chemical (proper name acetyl choline) released from the nerve endings in muscle inducing paralysis - very effective against flying insects and at low doses! If they don't fly they starve and become susceptible to all kinds of disease. Organophsphates are neurotoxins and feature as weed killers as well as inecticides- remember the farmers exposed to high concentrations of sheep dip? Every garden centre has shelves of these chemicals. Every rape seed field is mass sprayed once the seeds have set as a prelude to harvesting. Grazing land is sprayed to suppress the weeds. Ignore big pharma - they are gulling you and they know it.]]> BEES emergency http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=170299#Comment_170299 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=170299#Comment_170299 Fri, 15 Mar 2013 11:25:16 +0000 owlman
Closely related and very similar effect to military nerve agents. But this would be harmless to humans wouldn't it.:devil:]]> BEES emergency http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=170389#Comment_170389 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=170389#Comment_170389 Fri, 15 Mar 2013 19:13:59 +0000 Mike George BEES emergency http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=170390#Comment_170390 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=170390#Comment_170390 Fri, 15 Mar 2013 19:18:25 +0000 RobinB BEES emergency http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=170391#Comment_170391 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=170391#Comment_170391 Fri, 15 Mar 2013 19:22:03 +0000 Shevek BEES emergency http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=170394#Comment_170394 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=170394#Comment_170394 Fri, 15 Mar 2013 19:57:06 +0000 seascape BEES emergency http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=170416#Comment_170416 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=170416#Comment_170416 Sat, 16 Mar 2013 07:45:41 +0000 Dominic Cooney BEES emergency http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=170420#Comment_170420 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=170420#Comment_170420 Sat, 16 Mar 2013 09:09:18 +0000 Fred56 http://www.scotsman.com/business/food-drink-and-agriculture/eu-holds-fire-on-pesticide-ban-over-bees-1-2840326

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/mar/15/bee-harming-pesticides-escape-european-ban

Politicians are basically venal with no foresight beyond the next election. The industry is playing the 'no causal link' line just like they did with asbestos, tobacco, nitrogen loading, compound gas emissions, particulate emissions etc etc.]]> BEES emergency http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=170421#Comment_170421 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=170421#Comment_170421 Sat, 16 Mar 2013 09:17:48 +0000 SteamyTea Posted By: Fred56Politicians get it wrong again?They probably read this and got the wrong end of the stick, not that I know anything about pollen apart from it makes me sneeze, the more that bees can collect the better.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19122-how-plants-get-by-when-pollinators-vanish.html]]> BEES emergency http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=170427#Comment_170427 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=170427#Comment_170427 Sat, 16 Mar 2013 09:50:02 +0000 DarylP It is not rocket-science.....:devil:]]> BEES emergency http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=170665#Comment_170665 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=170665#Comment_170665 Sun, 17 Mar 2013 20:27:22 +0000 bella BEES emergency http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=173574#Comment_173574 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=173574#Comment_173574 Mon, 15 Apr 2013 21:44:36 +0100 crusoe BEES emergency http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=173584#Comment_173584 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=173584#Comment_173584 Tue, 16 Apr 2013 07:37:53 +0100 jamesingram "Re #neonicotinoid pesticides & mass #bee death, Bayer (chemical company) say fault lies with farmers not with chemicals themselves http://bit.ly/ZlJV7Z "
http://www.keithtaylormep.org.uk/2013/04/15/private-letters-shows-pesticide-companies-desperate-attempt-to-protect-bee-killing-pesticides/]]> BEES emergency http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=173606#Comment_173606 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=173606#Comment_173606 Tue, 16 Apr 2013 10:59:39 +0100 bella BEES emergency http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=173609#Comment_173609 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=173609#Comment_173609 Tue, 16 Apr 2013 11:22:26 +0100 Fred56
Studies have revealed a link between Bee and pollinator decline and neonicotinoids. Our government took the view that you can slow this while thing down by casting doubt on studies by Johnny Foreigner (the excuse being that the studies were lab based) and reinvent a British wheel by way of a British study. It set out to do a study - done by itself of course (DEFRA). The study failed because a field study requires a control. The UK is so heavily soaked in neonicotinoids that the control sites were contaminated. Brilliant, the government play the old 'no causal link' card because its own incompetent department bungled the field study by failing to use a valid control. Blatant playing for time.

This is the usual, venal 'business as usual' stuff from a government and an industry with hands down each others trousers.]]> BEES emergency http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=173659#Comment_173659 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=173659#Comment_173659 Tue, 16 Apr 2013 20:13:43 +0100 jamesingram BEES emergency http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=173676#Comment_173676 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=173676#Comment_173676 Tue, 16 Apr 2013 23:07:07 +0100 seascape BEES emergency http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=173678#Comment_173678 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=173678#Comment_173678 Tue, 16 Apr 2013 23:07:59 +0100 seascape BEES emergency http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=173730#Comment_173730 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=173730#Comment_173730 Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:34:13 +0100 fostertom Posted By: bellathat feisty Swansea girlMandy Rice-Davies - I remember her, I mean it, well.

Posted By: bellaNeedless to say I didn't get a response from my MP. Did anyone?
Yes indeed, from my Devon MP (Tory), always a response to the numerous Avaaz/38Degrees pro formas we send him in duplicate. Very valuable to have him spell out his position even tho it's often the party line. In this case, was v curious - he made clear at outset that he personally strongly supported a ban by European Commission, and that the UK govt also supported a ban but on the other hand wanted rigorous attention paid to scientific evidence; then a v confused account of how 'many countries' had opposed the ban or abstained, incl UK govt. My reply letter from him arrived several days before my partner's, and in hers the whole last bit was omitted from otherwise same letter - I think he'd been leaned on.]]> BEES emergency http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=174032#Comment_174032 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=174032#Comment_174032 Sun, 21 Apr 2013 14:19:16 +0100 owlman
1. Is the BBKA still receiving funds from Bayer, this potentially may influence their thinking?
2. Are the historical facts correct and if so why do other EU countries seem to be more cautious than our own.
3. Neonics are systemic, and I'm guessing that's how they are effective against sap suckers, aphids and the like. But if they are systemic then presumably they find their way into pollen and nectar and ultimately honey. Is anyone testing honey?
4. Neonicotinides have been used for 20 years or so, apparently widely used in Australia with no ill effect on their bee population, could other bee population decline factors be at work, e.g. farming practices, or atmospheric pollution.
5. Because they are predominantly a seed dressing do neonics remain in the soil and therfore is their polluting effect cumulative and does it get into the water courses, is anyone testing?]]> BEES emergency http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=174050#Comment_174050 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=174050#Comment_174050 Sun, 21 Apr 2013 17:03:17 +0100 fostertom Posted By: owlmanIs the BBKA still receiving funds from Bayer, this potentially may influence their thinking?Indeed - and why did they ever receive funds from Bayer, and even if it's been expediently discontinued now, after the row when it was revealed, would the BBKA's entrenched attitude just happen to change overnight? No doubt about it, BBKA has been bought. Anyway BBKA represents all that is old fashioned, unchanged since 1920s, in bee keeping, in essence a factory-farming approach to bees, even tho all those charming old bee keepers would be horrified to be so accused.]]> BEES emergency http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=174052#Comment_174052 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=174052#Comment_174052 Sun, 21 Apr 2013 19:12:51 +0100 Fred56 Example,
Layock et al, (2012), Effects of imidacloprid, a neonicotinoid pesticide, on reproduction in worker bumble bees. Ecotoxicology; Oct 2012, Vol. 21 Issue 7, p1937-1945

Also, yes systemic insecticides do trans-locate to pollen and nectar, see also

Stoner and Eitzer (2012), Movement of soil-applied imidacloprid and thiamethoxam into nectar and pollen of squash, Plos One [PLoS One] 2012; Vol. 7 (6), pp. e39114]]> BEES emergency http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=174180#Comment_174180 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=174180#Comment_174180 Mon, 22 Apr 2013 21:21:31 +0100 RobinB BEES emergency http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=174182#Comment_174182 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10308&Focus=174182#Comment_174182 Mon, 22 Apr 2013 21:25:58 +0100 seascape