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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeMar 5th 2014
     
    In a discussion with a window supplier, I realized that tilt-and-turn windows don't have a restraint in the same way that outward opening windows do. So they're free to flap around when 'turned' open. So the only time you 'turn' them open is to clean them. But you can clean ground floor windows easily enough from the outside. So is there any point in tilt-and-turn on the ground floor or should they all be tilt-only?

    Is my understanding correct? Can anybody who's lived with the windows confirm my thoughts, or tell me what I've missed?
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    Tilt and turn windows are often used as French doors. They also flap around less being inward opening.
    • CommentAuthorEd Davies
    • CommentTimeMar 5th 2014
     
    Escape?
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeMar 5th 2014
     
    Posted By: PeterStarckTilt and turn windows are often used as French doors. They also flap around less being inward opening.

    Yes we will have some as French doors and those obviously need to turn. Do you have tilt-and-turn? Do you turn them open much?
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeMar 5th 2014
     
    I love mine, far more secure, better ironmongery (if is from Europe) tilt is brilliant for secure ventilation, turn is very useful for cleaning ( difficult to reach the top from outside) perfect with my external shutters etc
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    djh, yes I have tilt and turn in the house, trouble is the rest of the house isn't finished so don't get to open them often.
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    Posted By: Ed DaviesEscape?

    Our gable end loft windows are T&T, with hinges at the side for turn & base for tilt, Then used as 'Turn' they are effectively an inward opening door. I've often used one as a means of getting things in & out of the (lined) loft. If we ever fully converted the loft they would be fine for escape use.

    A problem we find with using "tilt" ventilation is that the tilt isn't enough to allow gravity to fight against the suck & pull of breezes, so you can get slamming. So if we want ventilation I open the tilt, then drop a pre-prepared batton across the open window so it 'sits' in the V formed on each side between the open window & the frame which effectively jams the window open.
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    Posted By: PeterStarckTilt and turn windows are often used as French doors. They also flap around less being inward opening.
    This is a good point. We had inward opening French doors (when we lived in France, funnily enough) & defaulted to leaving them open in summer. They blow around much less in the breeze than outward opening types.

    Posted By: skyewrightA problem we find with using "tilt" ventilation is that the tilt isn't enough to allow gravity to fight against the suck & pull of breezes, so you can get slamming.
    This is something I've noticed in various offices where I worked. If there is an opening on the opposite side of the building then a tilted window can slam shut.

    Is there a "friction hinge" option?

    David
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    skyewright, our windows are triple glazed and the sashes are quite heavy. When in tilt mode there is a gap of 80mm between the sash and frame at the top. I haven't had them slam but then I only open them when I am working in the house and it's too hot or dusty.
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    Posted By: PeterStarckskyewright, our windows are triple glazed and the sashes are quite heavy. When in tilt mode there is a gap of 80mm between the sash and frame at the top. I haven't had them slam but then I only open them when I am working in the house and it's too hot or dusty.

    As davidfreeborough mentions the problem seems most likely to happen where there is are windows on opposite sides, as we have if both gable end windows are open. Using a wedge of sorts is effective but not very elegant (not an issue in the loft!).
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeMar 6th 2014
     
    Posted By: Ed DaviesEscape?

    I think not required at all since I believe we will have a protected stairwell and hall, but we will have big enough turn-open windows upstairs in any case. All downstairs rooms have access to the hall or a direct external door, so definitely no escape windows needed on the ground floor.

    Incidentally, another question that was raised was the conflict between the requirement for no locks on escape windows and the requirements for key-operated window locks from some insurers. Does anybody have any experience with that issue?

    Posted By: davidfreeboroughIs there a "friction hinge" option?

    There isn't for the turn motion as far as I know. I don't know about the tilt motion but as the windows will be quite heavy I suspect there won't be too much problem and a friction hinge might make them difficult to operate. I'll ask anyway, thanks for the thought.
    • CommentAuthorJonti
    • CommentTimeMar 6th 2014
     
    As said above, tilt and turn windows are great for secure ventilation. They are also good for fly nets as they open inward and allow you to water and window flower boxes from inside (Swiss thing) If I was building I would only go for such windows or sash which have similar advantages.

    Jonti
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