Green Building Forum - Feed in tariffs to be reduced by 87% Tue, 19 Dec 2023 07:36:40 +0000 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.0.3 Feed in tariffs to be reduced by 87% http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229111#Comment_229111 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229111#Comment_229111 Thu, 27 Aug 2015 20:13:31 +0100 rhamdu
http://www.solarpowerportal.co.uk/news/decc_proposing_to_cut_solar_feed_in_tariff_rates_by_87_2324

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/aug/27/slashing-household-solar-subsides-kill-off-industry-government-feed-in-tariff]]> Feed in tariffs to be reduced by 87% http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229113#Comment_229113 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229113#Comment_229113 Thu, 27 Aug 2015 20:43:59 +0100 ringi
Maybe PV costs will now come down enough that it will still make sense on the bases of a persons own usage of the output.]]> Feed in tariffs to be reduced by 87% http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229116#Comment_229116 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229116#Comment_229116 Thu, 27 Aug 2015 21:06:26 +0100 Ed Davies
If the money saved here was going to other renewables I'd be moderately happy about it but, AIUI, it's not, so I'm not.]]> Feed in tariffs to be reduced by 87% http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229119#Comment_229119 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229119#Comment_229119 Thu, 27 Aug 2015 22:36:22 +0100 ringi
Wind seems to have had it, as no one will stand up the the green party etc that does not wish to see wind power near where the live!]]> Feed in tariffs to be reduced by 87% http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229126#Comment_229126 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229126#Comment_229126 Fri, 28 Aug 2015 07:36:57 +0100 rhamdu Feed in tariffs to be reduced by 87% http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229130#Comment_229130 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229130#Comment_229130 Fri, 28 Aug 2015 08:34:08 +0100 gravelld Posted By: ringiI would like to see the money going to good standard of insulation in homes...I admire your optimism!]]> Feed in tariffs to be reduced by 87% http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229136#Comment_229136 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229136#Comment_229136 Fri, 28 Aug 2015 09:28:42 +0100 owlman Feed in tariffs to be reduced by 87% http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229141#Comment_229141 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229141#Comment_229141 Fri, 28 Aug 2015 10:43:00 +0100 atomicbisf
Gideon and co's policy is radically anti-environmental and can only be explained by a desire to protect big fossil fuel interests and energy companies but they and the billionaire press have been very skilful in creating the public perception that 'green subsidies' are behind the rise in energy prices, when they are in reality only a tiny fraction. Can't see any other reason to curb on-shore wind which was one of the cheapest sources, pay almost twice the wholesale price for electricity from Hinkley point and now want to pay about a third of the wholesale price of electricity for domestic solar PV. So Hinkley C electricity will be paid almost six times as much as domestic solar, and for 35 years rather than 20.

Oh and just when the world is told we have already got far more fossil fuel reserves than can be safely burned, they want to rush into exhuming a new one by fracking - makes me really angry!

Ed]]> Feed in tariffs to be reduced by 87% http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229142#Comment_229142 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229142#Comment_229142 Fri, 28 Aug 2015 11:11:56 +0100 CWatters Feed in tariffs to be reduced by 87% http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229145#Comment_229145 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229145#Comment_229145 Fri, 28 Aug 2015 11:30:50 +0100 owlman Feed in tariffs to be reduced by 87% http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229149#Comment_229149 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229149#Comment_229149 Fri, 28 Aug 2015 13:21:13 +0100 torrent99
Fracking brings in tax-revenue now(ish) which you can spend on bribing the voters to keep you in power. It's one of the fundamental flaws with democracy (not that I'm suggesting anything else!!!), where politicians will always promise anything, borrow anything to keep themselves in power. No one will take unpopular decisions that will be good for us all in the long term.]]> Feed in tariffs to be reduced by 87% http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229152#Comment_229152 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229152#Comment_229152 Fri, 28 Aug 2015 13:26:32 +0100 atomicbisf
Ed]]> Feed in tariffs to be reduced by 87% http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229153#Comment_229153 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229153#Comment_229153 Fri, 28 Aug 2015 13:28:49 +0100 djh Posted By: CWattersWhich party promises sane middle ground policies that people will support?
Agree, but just to be picky the real question is not who promises but who delivers?]]> Feed in tariffs to be reduced by 87% http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229155#Comment_229155 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229155#Comment_229155 Fri, 28 Aug 2015 13:58:33 +0100 atomicbisf
If America the land of the gas guzzler, big oil and the worst climate denial comes up with much more ambitious plans than the UK, then we know we're in a bad state.

Ed]]> Feed in tariffs to be reduced by 87% http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229157#Comment_229157 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229157#Comment_229157 Fri, 28 Aug 2015 14:10:04 +0100 skyewright Posted By: CWattersWhich party promises sane middle ground policies that people will support?
Not any of the ones that currently stand a chance of having significant influence under the present electoral system (& even that system isn't due another outing till May 2020)...]]> Feed in tariffs to be reduced by 87% http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229158#Comment_229158 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229158#Comment_229158 Fri, 28 Aug 2015 14:13:17 +0100 gravelld Posted By: CWattersWhich party promises sane middle ground policies that people will support?Sane maybe, but I'm not sure the average GBF poster could be described as middle ground, assuming you mean the median person.]]> Feed in tariffs to be reduced by 87% http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229161#Comment_229161 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229161#Comment_229161 Fri, 28 Aug 2015 14:56:27 +0100 djh Posted By: gravelldSane maybe
Sane, are you accusing me of being sane? :rolling:]]> Feed in tariffs to be reduced by 87% http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229162#Comment_229162 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229162#Comment_229162 Fri, 28 Aug 2015 15:35:53 +0100 gravelld ]]> Feed in tariffs to be reduced by 87% http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229164#Comment_229164 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229164#Comment_229164 Fri, 28 Aug 2015 16:07:16 +0100 ringi
I don't like the way the funding is so "stop/go" and think that FIT should have been reduced over a number of years or using a bidding system so we got as much PV as possible for the FIT payments.]]> Feed in tariffs to be reduced by 87% http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229167#Comment_229167 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229167#Comment_229167 Fri, 28 Aug 2015 16:25:39 +0100 djh Posted By: ringiI ... think that FIT should have been reduced over a number of years
But that requires planning and thinking ahead. It's fairly clear that government has enough trouble just thinking at all.

I wonder if they could spell Capability Maturity Model :devil:]]> Feed in tariffs to be reduced by 87% http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229182#Comment_229182 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229182#Comment_229182 Fri, 28 Aug 2015 23:27:09 +0100 SteamyTea
This tank if full of parliamentary promises

Brilliant.]]> Feed in tariffs to be reduced by 87% http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229202#Comment_229202 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229202#Comment_229202 Sat, 29 Aug 2015 18:23:59 +0100 rhamdu Posted By: ringiOne issue is that FIT mostly benefited people with money, but put up the cost of energy most for people without money.
The first bit may be true, but I believe the second part has been analysed and shown to be false. The increased availability of renewable energy has brought down wholesale prices. At least some of that price reduction got through to the retail market.
I'd be grateful if anyone can find the source of this research.]]> Feed in tariffs to be reduced by 87% http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229203#Comment_229203 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229203#Comment_229203 Sat, 29 Aug 2015 18:32:33 +0100 ted
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/456181/FIT_Evidence_Review.pdf

Table 2 on p7

DECC has produced many reports that assert that investment in renewables has a beneficial effect on retail prices of energy, but IMHO are so full of estimates and assumptions as to be of no real worth.]]> Feed in tariffs to be reduced by 87% http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229204#Comment_229204 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229204#Comment_229204 Sat, 29 Aug 2015 20:55:50 +0100 CWatters Survey after survey show that there is a large majority in favour of expanding renewable generation, especially solar but also onshore wind.

Very true, but if you ask "are you in favour of a wind farm in your area" you get a very different answer.

Some years ago a survey was carried out in our village by the Parish Council. It wasn't about renewables but village life in general, one of the questions just happened to be about wind turbines. A majority was in favour of them including me.

About two years later an application for a wind farm was submitted on an area of land to the west. Despite the large area available six turbines were proposed about as close as possible to two villages/conservation areas.

Something like 85% of the population in these two villages wrote to object. I think only one independent resident wrote in favour. Even one of the land owners wrote to object! He was then reminded that he had signed a contract and withdrew his objection (but not before if had appeared on the planning web site).

The developer submitted hundreds of post cards from people in favour that they collected by stopping people in the street of a town some 13 miles away. None lived near the site. Some were tourists visiting from towns 200 miles away. I think only two people spoke in support at the appeal and one of those was from Greenpeace and I think he lived in the next county.

If developers insist on putting turbines so close to houses it's no wonder we all turn into NIMBYS.

PS: I know there are surveys saying people would support a wind farm in their area. However we found many people in our village didn't really understand how big they would be until a blimp was flown on site. Even a surveyor we used was shocked when his motorised theodolite pointed to where the top of one of the turbines would have been. He initially thought he'd made a mistake.]]> Feed in tariffs to be reduced by 87% http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229206#Comment_229206 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229206#Comment_229206 Sat, 29 Aug 2015 21:36:24 +0100 atomicbisf
As has been pointed out the amount added to the average bill is small which is probably why those agitating against it, probably for the benefit of their patrons in the fossil fuel industry, never seem to talk of actual figures but instead use emotive rhetoric.

Domestic PV has become cheap enough for people on modest incomes to afford, even if the poorest can't benefit in the same way as they do not own their homes (though many council and housing association tenants can or could).

Ed]]> Feed in tariffs to be reduced by 87% http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229207#Comment_229207 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229207#Comment_229207 Sat, 29 Aug 2015 21:42:46 +0100 atomicbisf Posted By: CWatters
Survey after survey show that there is a large majority in favour of expanding renewable generation, especially solar but also onshore wind.


Very true, but if you ask "are you in favour of a wind farm in your area" you get a very different answer.



But surely that is no different from mobile telephone masts, electricity pylons, TV transmitter towers, motorways etc, which pretty much everyone use and recognise as necessary?

Ed]]> Feed in tariffs to be reduced by 87% http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229208#Comment_229208 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229208#Comment_229208 Sat, 29 Aug 2015 22:01:40 +0100 djh Posted By: atomicbisfsurely it is better
Excellent point of view!]]> Feed in tariffs to be reduced by 87% http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229210#Comment_229210 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229210#Comment_229210 Sat, 29 Aug 2015 23:00:52 +0100 SteamyTea
Why would anyone want more expensive power and the generator in their backyard when they currently get cheap and reliable power 'from somewhere else'.]]> Feed in tariffs to be reduced by 87% http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229212#Comment_229212 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229212#Comment_229212 Sat, 29 Aug 2015 23:40:39 +0100 atomicbisf Posted By: SteamyTeaThe trouble with these type of surveys/questionnaires, is that they are biased from the start.

Why would anyone want more expensive power and the generator in their backyard when they currently get cheap and reliable power 'from somewhere else'.

I don't see it like that, I'd say it shows people recognise the necessity of wind power, solar etc and don't subscribe to the POV that AGW is some sort fraud that should be ignored. Doesn't mean they'll want it right next to them but I think most people are capable of recognising that there are lots of things that are necessary even if they don't want them "in their back yard". Like the masts, pylons etc I mentioned earlier.

Ed]]> Feed in tariffs to be reduced by 87% http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229227#Comment_229227 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13631&Focus=229227#Comment_229227 Mon, 31 Aug 2015 12:40:38 +0100 jamesingram I also think they're not far off standing on their own without subsides . The various eco lobby groups claim coal, gas and other fossil fuels benefit from subsides higher than current renewable subsides.
Making this green subsides backlash uproar a nonsense
Can they be believed ?]]>