Green Building Forum - Philosophy of decision making Tue, 19 Dec 2023 08:41:29 +0000 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.0.3 Philosophy of decision making http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17687&Focus=299553#Comment_299553 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17687&Focus=299553#Comment_299553 Sun, 08 Jan 2023 09:58:51 +0000 revor Posted By: borpinhttps://dilbert.com/strip/2023-01-01" rel="nofollow" >https://dilbert.com/strip/2023-01-01

Nice one. Is that what was happening in No 10 yesterday?]]> Philosophy of decision making http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17687&Focus=299556#Comment_299556 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17687&Focus=299556#Comment_299556 Sun, 08 Jan 2023 11:18:54 +0000 fostertom Posted By: JontiIMO it's success will depend less on the 'technical' and more on an emphasis on wellbeing/life satisfaction being the standard by which success is judged rather than moneyAgreed - in other words politics, if not revolution, against powerful vested opposition. Level of technological develoipment is merely a necessary condition, not the mechanism by which communism might get tried.]]> Philosophy of decision making http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17687&Focus=299558#Comment_299558 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17687&Focus=299558#Comment_299558 Sun, 08 Jan 2023 19:34:44 +0000 HollyBush
I ran one once and was please with how the arguments evolved and the group reach consensus after 3 or 4 rounds.

All depends what kind of decision is needed - sometimes a quick one is better. The catch with many things is that things change.]]> Philosophy of decision making http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17687&Focus=299561#Comment_299561 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17687&Focus=299561#Comment_299561 Sun, 08 Jan 2023 23:14:11 +0000 Jeff B Philosophy of decision making http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17687&Focus=299581#Comment_299581 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17687&Focus=299581#Comment_299581 Tue, 10 Jan 2023 04:40:12 +0000 cjard
Would the same logic apply to e.g. insulation?]]> Philosophy of decision making http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17687&Focus=299587#Comment_299587 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17687&Focus=299587#Comment_299587 Tue, 10 Jan 2023 17:48:14 +0000 tony Philosophy of decision making http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17687&Focus=299590#Comment_299590 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17687&Focus=299590#Comment_299590 Tue, 10 Jan 2023 21:33:54 +0000 Jonti Posted By: cjard"The consensus is that not many houses in any of the local estates have them so they can’t be necessary"

Would the same logic apply to e.g. insulation?

Absence of something is not proof of lack of desire. You also need to know why there is a lack of insulation otherwise it is not an informed opinion/decision.]]> Philosophy of decision making http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17687&Focus=299591#Comment_299591 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17687&Focus=299591#Comment_299591 Wed, 11 Jan 2023 09:20:48 +0000 revor Posted By: Jeff BI remember using Kepner Tregoe analysis

I too have used Kepner Tregoe but that was in the context of problem solving production problems. I had not appreciated its possible use in decision making but on reflection the problem solving was a decision making process.
One of the difficulties with a decision making process is firstly agreeing the boundaries of what is included which should be done at the beginning. Too often what is included in the consideration is not understood by those involved and discussion can go off on a tangent.]]> Philosophy of decision making http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17687&Focus=299592#Comment_299592 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17687&Focus=299592#Comment_299592 Wed, 11 Jan 2023 11:17:09 +0000 Peter_in_Hungary Posted By: JontiAbsence of something is not proof of lack of desire. You also need to know why there is a lack of insulation otherwise it is not an informed opinion/decision.
The reasoning for the decision is not part of the decision making process but rather as part of the post event analysis looking at why that particular decision was brought.

To continue with the insulation theme - The lack of insulation is perhaps because those providing the insulation (or any other product or service) gain little or no advantage in providing anything other than the absolute minimum required and this fact would be one of the main drivers for the decision.]]> Philosophy of decision making http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17687&Focus=299593#Comment_299593 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17687&Focus=299593#Comment_299593 Wed, 11 Jan 2023 15:42:23 +0000 Jeff B Posted By: revor
Posted By: Jeff BI remember using Kepner Tregoe analysis


I too have used Kepner Tregoe but that was in the context of problem solving production problems. I had not appreciated its possible use in decision making but on reflection the problem solving was a decision making process.
One of the difficulties with a decision making process is firstly agreeing the boundaries of what is included which should be done at the beginning. Too often what is included in the consideration is not understood by those involved and discussion can go off on a tangent.

Yes, me too (for solving production problems). However I also used it for selecting the applicant for a particular job because it was useful to have the logic behind choosing a particular candidate written down in case of any comeback. I agree the difficulty comes in the weighting of the "musts" and "wants" but nevertheless a useful tool I think because it forces you to think about the parameters involved.]]> Philosophy of decision making http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17687&Focus=299597#Comment_299597 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17687&Focus=299597#Comment_299597 Wed, 11 Jan 2023 17:08:42 +0000 Jonti Posted By: Peter_in_Hungary
Posted By: JontiAbsence of something is not proof of lack of desire. You also need to know why there is a lack of insulation otherwise it is not an informed opinion/decision.

The reasoning for the decision is not part of the decision making process but rather as part of the post event analysis looking at why that particular decision was brought.

To continue with the insulation theme - The lack of insulation is perhaps because those providing the insulation (or any other product or service) gain little or no advantage in providing anything other than the absolute minimum required and this fact would be one of the main drivers for the decision.

Maybe I misunderstood but I thought the point was that the lack of insulation showed people in the properties did not think insulating was worth while. My point was the lack of insulation maybe down to another factor other than decision such as a lack of funding. Ergo, a lack of something is not necessarily a sign of a decision against said thing.]]> Philosophy of decision making http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17687&Focus=299604#Comment_299604 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17687&Focus=299604#Comment_299604 Thu, 12 Jan 2023 08:24:23 +0000 Peter_in_Hungary Posted By: JontiMaybe I misunderstood but I thought the point was that the lack of insulation showed people in the properties did not think insulating was worth while.
My assumption was that the decision about insulation was one of a decision at build time by the builder. A decision at build time is very different to a decision by the occupier as a retro-fit with the additional expense, disruption and the inertia of the status quo.
Each decision will have very different drivers but possibly (probably?) the same outcome..]]>