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    • CommentAuthorTriassic
    • CommentTimeJan 8th 2014
     
    David Cameron has linked the widespread floods and bad weather affecting the UK to climate change, saying he “strongly suspects” the phenomenon is causing more “abnormal weather events”.

    In comments that are likely to anger some Conservatives who are sceptical of climate change, the Prime Minister told MPs: “We are seeing more abnormal weather events. Colleagues across the house can argue about whether that is linked to climate change or not. I very much suspect that it is."

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/10559114/David-Cameron-very-much-suspects-climate-change-causing-abnormal-weather-such-as-floods.html

    Surly not!!
    • CommentAuthorjamesingram
    • CommentTimeJan 8th 2014 edited
     
    More empty words from the 'greenest' government ever.
    Is the green they're referring to just the little tree in the tory emblem ?
    Perhaps it's to do with the PM and chancellors lack of broad experience.
    Either way, no one with any sense would expect anything but the same old, same old from the business as usual
    back slapping, palm greasing felchmeisters.
    • CommentAuthorEd Davies
    • CommentTimeJan 8th 2014
     
    Are we seeing more abnormal weather in the UK? I thought the view of those that had looked at the statistics was that we weren't, but that might be out of date.
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    While I'm ranting. What's all this 'Bad weather' , since when did we have to emotionalise a weather forecast.
    Forecasters apologising for rain . What's all that about ?
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeJan 8th 2014 edited
     
    Posted By: Ed DaviesAre we seeing more abnormal weather in the UK
    We have had similar before, but I think the recent 'blocking events' of the last 4 winters is abnormal.
    "Climate is what you expect and weather is what you get".
    Temperature wise it has been mild.

    One problem of gauging 'bad weather' is the amount of damage it causes. That can be very variable. Not much damage down here as we are used to high winds and some local flooding (Perranporth floods about 3 times a year), so you can't rely on the media to paint an accurate story.

    Posted By: jamesingramsince when did we have to emotionalise a weather forecast
    A few summers back, a very wet one, had a lady in the shop who was from Norfolk, she burst into tears when she saw the weather forecast for another weeks rain. So been going on for a few years :wink:
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeJan 8th 2014
     
    "In Scotland, there is no such thing as bad weather - only the wrong clothes." - Billy Connelly
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeJan 9th 2014
     
    Do we get the poilticians that say what we want to hear, and vote for, and do we get the media lies that we want to hear, and buy/watch? Or is it the other way round?
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeJan 9th 2014
     
    We get the politicians and the media we deserve.
  2.  
    Speak for yourself:bigsmile:
    • CommentAuthorRoger
    • CommentTimeJan 9th 2014
     
    "Opinionated weather forecasters who tell me it’s going to be a “miserable day”
    Miserable to who? I quite like a bit of drizzle, so stick to the facts!"

    (A Country Practice) Half Man Half Biscuit
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeJan 9th 2014
     
    Posted By: SteamyTeaWe get the politicians and the media we deserve.
    Which 'we'?
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    As long as people still believe in the poltical theater of left wing/right wing, labour/conservative. then yes you will get the politiciens you deserve.

    Hows it going with good old Obama now?
    • CommentAuthorTriassic
    • CommentTimeJan 9th 2014 edited
     
    Posted By: fostertom
    Posted By: SteamyTeaWe get the politicians and the media we deserve.
    Which 'we'?
    Obviously those in the majority who voted got the politicians, local and national, they wanted. Everyone else got what they deserved, so no use moaning, VOTE next time.

    Media, what a joke.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeJan 9th 2014 edited
     
    Posted By: Triassicthose ... who voted got the politicians ... they wanted
    I don't think so - adversarial 'democracy' guarantees that at least half or much more 'lose', get what they don't want, and put their energies into manoeuvring to get their own back 'next time'. This system can claim no lineage back to hallowed ancient Greek democracy - it's just traditional despotism re-branded except now 'we the people' are told we have the power - and we believe that and fight despots' wars for it! Do we really feel we 'have the power'? Don't say "hardly, it's imperfect, but there is no alternative".

    Mrs T - There Is No Alternative (TINA).
    'Wets' - There Exist Several Spendid Alternatives (TESSA).

    And yes, bot, the ritual left/right polarity (as if anything else is just fluffy) is another part of our trance.
  4.  
    Hay, I always vote, but I don't really feel like I get representation.
    "Obviously those in the majority who voted got the politicians, local and national, they wanted"
    I'm not sure the 'majority' did get that.
    This is why many don't vote. I have sympathy with them. Why legitimise or bother with a system which to many appears to be a bit of a pantomime and of little effect to their daily lives. (Though I must admit my local MP seems pretty good) .
    • CommentAuthorjamesingram
    • CommentTimeJan 9th 2014 edited
     
    Do we really feel we 'have the power'?.
    Is spending power the only real effective one left ?
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeJan 9th 2014 edited
     
    Don't we all spend our power exactly where our desires have been created? As you (almost) say
    Posted By: jamesingramSpeak for ourself:bigsmile:
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    Unfortunately one of the greatest threats to creating real change is a society that is programmed to ridicule others opinions, shut down open discussion and keep to the "consensus" view of things.

    I was brought up in a "leftwing" household, where Thatcher was the Baddie. I thought the left were the good guys. I have since learnt that the supposed good guy "radicals" can be just as fascist if not worse in shutting down any voice of opinion that seeks an alternative view, to question or creates discussion or debate.

    People damn the ineffective/establishment media in one breath, whilst at the same time they try to shut down debate that threatens their world view with the next.

    thus the statusquo continues and we wonder why, whilst in fact continuing a closed minded mentality very much part of the problem. So yes we do get the system/politicians we deserve because they are an external reflection of our inner close minded egos.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeJan 9th 2014
     
    Posted By: Joiner"In Scotland, there is no such thing as bad weather - only the wrong clothes." - Billy Connelly

    That's very true. Appropriate clothes make a huge difference. Just like having the right tools makes life so much easier.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeJan 9th 2014 edited
     
    For 200k yrs 'Human Nature' was overwhelmingly to co-operate in an egalitarian consensual manner (tho always exceptions e.g. fighting 'others' over scarce resources). The Law of the Eco-system prevailed - 'Survival of those who fit in'.

    Then for a mere 6k yrs' 'learning period' (agriculture, cities, states etc), the Law of the Jungle was substituted - 'Survival of the Fittest', as unprecedented surpluses made un-egalitarian grabbing feasible. This, as we now at last see, has brought the global eco-system close to collapse.

    The new despots told us
    "Law of the Jungle is human nature - so get used to it".
    But that was and is a self-serving lie, as we're now at last beginning to re-discover.

    Finally, for the last 250yrs, the western despots got even cleverer -
    "Law of the Jungle is human nature - but that's OK - ruthless Market Forces will automatically bring the Greatest Good and adversarial Democracy will give Power to the People. So get out there and kill (or enslave) all who disagree!"
    Neat, eh?

    Adversarial democracy locks-in the sad notion that human nature is such that we can't reach understandings but can only struggle to defeat opponents. By that strategy, we and our elected gladiator-politicians put all our energies and attention onto the circus, while the real despots get on with asset-stripping the planet unhindered.

    It's kill or cure time. We may kill the planet and ourselves by continued Law of the Jungle. Or we may just in time re-establish Law of the Eco-system - 'Survival of those who fit in'.
    We may rediscover the human ability to keep talking until we reach egalitarian, consensual agreement, which is age-old Human Nature (which actually never went away). This will need a new name, other than debased 'democracy'.

    Lots and lots of work happening now, to create or to simply re-discover practical new forms of 'governance' if that's the word for it. Previous revolutions neglected to do that, and became just another despot-opportunity; today's revolutions see despot-proofing as almost their core task.

    I'm told that in egalitarian consensual Australian Aborigine societies, anyone who shows signs of wanting to take charge or get their way is gently sidelined, as they're obviously unhinged.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeJan 9th 2014
     
    Tom
    Glad to see you still don't believe in economic theories but prefer speculation and extrapolation :bigsmile:
  6.  
    'economic theories' Do they call it a science ? or is it a belief system more akin to religion
  7.  
    This is a video you might like Tom , Three-Dimensional Mid-Air Acoustic Manipulation

    Scientists rediscovering what the ancients already new...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odJxJRAxdFU
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeJan 9th 2014
     
    I would like to see them do it with a live frog:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VlWonYfN3A
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeJan 9th 2014 edited
     
    Posted By: SteamyTeayou still don't believe in economic theories but prefer speculation and extrapolation
    "Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone" - John Maynard Keynes.
    Presumably through the automatic process of Market Forces (if that's what 'economic theories' means?).

    It's a peculiarly English/19C/libertarian mistrust of human intention ("speculation and extrapolation"), preferring instead inexorable, impersonal, perfect mechanisms - classic Darwinism is another of them, Marxism, fundamentalist sects, anything reassuringly God-given from outside 'us'.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeJan 9th 2014
     
    It is the sum of human behaviour.

    'Market Forces' are just another term for the 'Invisible Hand'.

    What most people don't like and don't fully understand is that society drives the economy (the wisdom of the masses) and not governments, businesses, dictators, prophets or such like, they just speed up or slow down the inevitable change.

    The Green Deal is a classic example of trying to change something by tackling the wrong end (the demand end) rather than where the problem is (the supply end). The Government did this with accountancy principles and not economic principles, Thankfully the wisdom of the masses has shown it for what it is.
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeJan 9th 2014 edited
     
    Love it, Nick.
    • CommentAuthorjamesingram
    • CommentTimeJan 9th 2014 edited
     
    'Market Forces' = 'Invisible Hand' = 'Collective unconscious' = 'God'

    As I suspected, economic theory, a system more akin to religious belief :cheer: praise be !
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeJan 9th 2014
     
    If it was a "Collective Consciousness" then what would it be? :bigsmile:
  8.  
    I dread to think :shocked:
    But then again, perhaps something altogether better ?
   
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