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Green Building Bible, fourth edition (both books)
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeJun 23rd 2012
     
    James
    Mine is about £40 a month. Last year I used 4.5 MWh and the combined cost was for both units, meter rental and VAT was a shade over 10p/kWh. Think I should use less this year as I have more insulation and I will get the MVHR sorted out as well.
    Posted it up on a thread somewhere but can't remember which one now.
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    thanks ST , just wonder about cost comparision for E7 to Gas heating.
    On thing re. E7/E10 most modern flats round my way have it as it reduces service cost for developers.
    Not sure about E7/10 with PV , most use will still be peak tariff time , when PVs not generating
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeJun 24th 2012
     
    I think the difference between night storage space heating and gas space heating is the nature of use. With Night stores, they are exactly that, so you over heat at night and rely on the temperature decay to still keep the place warm till 11PM.
    Possibly not a lot of difference in running costs between gas and water heating , though a very different CO2 foot print.
    If I could put 4.5 kWp of PV on my place, stored most as heat and with a bit in batteries (about 4-5 kWh), I could probably manage to be theoretically off grid. Winter would be a struggle as I use up to 25 kWh/day and I would have more than I know what to do with in summer (electric car maybe). Would allow me to use electric resistance fan heaters when they are needed though.
    Trouble is I can only get 1.5 kWp on a WSW (the cloudy side) facing roof.
    • CommentAuthorSeret
    • CommentTimeJun 24th 2012
     
    Posted By: jamesingrammost use will still be peak tariff time , when PVs not generating


    Depends on the pattern of occupancy and behaviour. For a house that's occupied during the day you've really only got the evening peak to worry about.
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    Wholesale natural gas prices in USA, source US EIA http://205.254.135.7/dnav/ng/hist/rngwhhda.htm

    year , price $/Million BTU
    2005 8.686
    2006 6.731
    2007 6.967
    2008 8.863
    2009 3.943
    2010 4.370
    2011 3.996

    The natural gas price in US is now less than half what it was in mid-2000s, is now back to 1999 level. Dont know if this is the famous shale gas effect, or just supply/demand.

    But if same happened here, expect cheaper heating, cheaper electricity, more consumption, accelerated switch fron coal to gas, return of heavy manufacturing industries that have gone abroad, difficulty getting renewables investment...? Good/bad?
    • CommentAuthorGavin_A
    • CommentTimeJun 24th 2012
     
    the difference being that there is zero chance of the same happening here.

    even if we rapidly develop all the suitable shale gas sources we can, it's still only going to make a temporary dint in the reduction in our output from the north sea.

    we simply don't have anything like the available land area that the US has.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeJun 24th 2012
     
    Have seen estimates from between 15 years worth to 75 years worth, so rather a margin of error there. Have also seen estimated that Russia has enough gas to supply the EU, at today's consumption levels for between 150 years to 400 years.
    We have signed a priority contract with Norway for the next ten years, so should not have to suffer delivery uncertainty, though price can fluctuate.
    Trouble is when gas, or oil and coal for that matter, gets too cheap, it is not worth bring out the ground. Coal has not changed in price for 20 years, globally gas seems to be getting cheaper, oil seems to be happy at around $100/barrel.
    I am not saying that we shoudl be burning these, far from it, what I will say is that RE has to compete with it. No amount of tinkering around the edges with subsidies will allow this at the present time, though a heavy emissions tax on fossil fuel would be a game changer, though I cannot see that happening at the moment. 30 Euro/tonne is not high enough.
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