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    Anyone with an example project here? I'm particularly interested in the elemental u-values you used

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    • CommentAuthorSigaldry
    • CommentTimeMar 29th 2010
     
    Whilst not personally having built any - I've SAP assessed a lot.

    It depends on how you want to build. You *could* get a building to achieve Code 4 with worst allowable U-values for all elements and your roof covered in PV to achieve the Co2/energy emissions saving - not recommended by any means, but doable.

    I would personally suggest making the building as well insulated and air tight as you possibly can afford as a first step (Energy Saving trust enhanced accredited details are a good step to assist with this). Then depending on what heating strategy you chose to adopt, add a decent MVHR system and renewables to the mix as required.

    Either way, get a Code assessor and SAP assessor involved at earliest stages, as you can miss out on code credits if various issues not considered early enough to be incorporated. Code Assessor will require an accredited energy assessor to have done the calculations.

    On a related note, Building regulations L1A 2010 is about to be published (by end of April), SAP 2009 has just been published and Code for Sustainable Homes 2010 is about to finish it's consultation.

    Come October, the Code, reg's and SAP will be very different to present - so if you are not intending to register the job until after October, the required values may be very different to those required currently.
  2.  
    Thanks Sigaldry,

    As an aside, do you have any insight into what the new Part L base u-values may be?

    Mike
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeMar 30th 2010
     
    Posted By: SigaldrySAP 2009 has just been published
    but
    Posted By: SigaldryCome October ... SAP will be very different to present
    What's SAP 2009 if it's just about to be re-written for Oct?
    • CommentAuthorSigaldry
    • CommentTimeMar 30th 2010
     
    @ Fostertom

    SAP 2009 has just been published (So that people can write software; gain an understanding of the changes; Read, Review and Understand it), but will be used for building regulations approval purposes from October. Although people will probably start modelling what effect the new AD and SAP 2009 will have as soon as software is available.

    Current SAP is still SAP 2005 version 9.81/9.83 as far as current building regulations compliance is concerned (For that matter SAP 2001 9.70 is still used for 'old regulations' Building Regulations compliance for some sites started prior to current regulations) - hope that is more clear?


    @ Mike George

    Depending on amount of renewables for a smallish mid terraced house, a typical Code 4 spec using current reg's, CfSH and SAP 2005 could be:

    Floor, walls and roof around 0.11W/m²K with enhanced accredited details levels for thermal bridging, good triple glazed windows and doors to achieve in the region of 0.70W/m²K; Good Gas combi boiler (91%) with flue gas heat recovery (appendix Q rated) with Twin zone control and weather compensator; A good Appendix Q rated MVHR system (low specific fan power / high efficiency heat recovery); low air tightness AT=3m³/m²/hr@50 Pa.

    Solar hot water and swapping out the flue gas heat recovery equipped combi for a decent regular boiler and a hot water cylinder with good manufacturers declared loss factor might allow some slight reduction in above spec.

    A small amount of PV (say 0.75 Peak kW - around 9m²?) on top of the above would allow further leeway.

    Approved Documents for 2010 regs likely not out until after Easter, but the reference values used for a 2002 building (which then requires improving by 25% to 2006 levels and then 25% again for 2010 levels to set the target can be found in SAP 2009 Appendix R (available at www.bre.co.uk/sap2009 )

    Without having seen the final AD L1A, or having run any modelling based on final SAP / L1A AD, I cannot say with certainty what values you will need to achieve a pass, let alone Code 4 after the consultation finishes. Especially considering houses vary so much in size, shape and preferred specification.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeMar 30th 2010
     
    So - first sight of the definitive new regime is out - what does it look like? Any of the old deficiencies and inconsistencies dealt with? What about RDSAP?
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    Posted By: SigaldryDepending on amount of renewables for a smallish mid terraced house, a typical Code 4 spec using current reg's, CfSH and SAP 2005 could be:

    Floor, walls and roof around 0.11W/m²K with enhanced accredited details levels for thermal bridging, good triple glazed windows and doors to achieve in the region of 0.70W/m²K; Good Gas combi boiler (91%) with flue gas heat recovery (appendix Q rated) with Twin zone control and weather compensator; A good Appendix Q rated MVHR system (low specific fan power / high efficiency heat recovery); low air tightness AT=3m³/m²/hr@50 Pa.

    Solar hot water and swapping out the flue gas heat recovery equipped combi for a decent regular boiler and a hot water cylinder with good manufacturers declared loss factor might allow some slight reduction in above spec.

    A small amount of PV (say 0.75 Peak kW - around 9m²?) on top of the above would allow further leeway.

    Apart from the relatively poor air leakage, these kind of numbers are getting close to PassivHaus. I didn't think that code 4 was this stringent?

    Windows and doors at 0.7W/m2K are few and very expensive. I can't really believe that most social housing (where CSH is currently really targeted) will be able to build to this spec.
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeMar 30th 2010
     
    I saw a main contractor offer the client 3g windows as a no extra cost option over dg --- not quite 0.7 but getting close

    If they could do it so can we all.
    • CommentAuthorMarkBennett
    • CommentTimeMar 30th 2010 edited
     
    Posted By: tonyI saw a main contractor offer the client 3g windows as a no extra cost option over dg --- not quite 0.7 but getting close

    If they could do it so can we all.


    I agree that 3G windows at 0.9, maybe 0.8 are getting more affordable, but any much below 0.8 are currently very expensive as far as I can see, doors especially so.
    • CommentAuthorbampton
    • CommentTimeMar 30th 2010
     
    "Apart from the relatively poor air leakage, these kind of numbers are getting close to PassivHaus. I didn't think that code 4 was this stringent?"

    This is code 4 without renewables no? lower the spec and you need to pile on the pv/heat pumps is the order of the day - or so i understand it
    • CommentAuthorneilu
    • CommentTimeMar 31st 2010
     
    The energy saving trust have published a guide on code level 4 that gives examples and options.
    I pass this on to developers when I'm doing SAPs for dwellings that need to get to level 4.
    Paste the following into your browser:

    http://www.energysavingtrust.org.uk/business/Global-Data/Publications/CE291-Energy-efficiency-and-the-Code-for-Sustainable-Homes-Level-4-May-2008-edition

    If that doesn't work go to the energy saving trust website and search for CE291 and download the document.
    It gives a good idea about U-values and heating options.
    The examples use a reduced y-value for thermal bridging which is achieved by using enhanced construction details.
    They are also downloadable from their website.
  4.  
    Thanks all. This is all very very helpful.
    • CommentAuthordelboy
    • CommentTimeMar 31st 2010
     
    The other way to achieve get your SAPs to achieve the 44% Code 4 is with the dreaded heat pumps.

    If you have a much poorer thermal envelope (0.2 wall 0.13 roof 0.15 floor, 1.4 openings) and enhanced accredited details with pressure of 3, you'll get it with ASHP and solar most likely.

    From what I'm seeing, this is the preferred route. It is generally cheaper to achieve it this way than go with the v high spec thermal envelope.

    It is common in Design and Build contracts (which form the majority of building contracts where I work) for the contractor to not surprisingly seek to do it for the cheapest possible cost. That means using a heat pump.

    Housing associations are beginning to require (in their employer's requirements) that heat pumps aren't used, because tenants are recording that their running costs appear to be quite high particularly for the utterly turdish exhaust ASHPs (to be fair, the conventional Mitsubishi / Daikin standard ASHPs appear to function pretty cheaply / greenly).

    However, for rural schemes where mains gas is not available, oil is completely out of fashion in favour of ASHPs. Biomass is a total no no for Housing Associations for fear firstly of tenant mismanagement, secondly for maintenance issues (fuelling and billing as well as general cleaning) and thirdly because the capital cost is higher.

    The new SAP and Part L changes will be v v interesting to see how they play out.
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeApr 1st 2010
     
    I do not like the idea of going for the cheapest solution (now) as as time goes on it look more and more foolish.

    Are we really looking for the minimum route?
  5.  
    But if we can get all housbuilders to go for the [Code 4]minimum route wouldn't that be a good start?
    • CommentAuthorSigaldry
    • CommentTimeApr 1st 2010
     
    @ Fostertom

    RDSAP (Appendix S) currently unchanged (use SAP 9.83) - apparently they will look at amending this for October (or thereabouts).

    @Markbennett, Bampton & Neilu et al

    Spec as I presented for current code 4 is as noted, a non renewables led approach using the current documents - as I also noted, renewables can reduce this spec considerably.

    For achieving Code 4, Solar hot water and MVHR help considerably, PV even more so, but as I understand it is expensive.

    Enhanced details do help considerably under curent SAP - I would note that floor U-value on the EST guidance document are a bit on the poor side - quite easy to achieve a lower value compared to most of the other solutions. It’s a reasonable document in most respects.

    I agree, 0.70 triple glazing will likely be expensive and not as easy to get hold of - but some people do ask for no renewables solutions... The whole calculation process is a trade-off, obviously if you improve one thing sufficiently, you can relax another. Likewise if you rule out some options, you will need to do more elsewhere.


    Heat Pumps do make it considerably easier to get code 3 and 4 currently (the ‘Code 4 loophole’), this ignores however the considerably higher overall emissions compared to a gas or biomass approach and the higher costs to the end user associated with using electric heating. You also lose any credits within the code for low NOx emissions.

    Heat Pumps do have their place in saving energy (cost and emissions), particularly where the alternative is electric heating of other types as it is considerably cheaper and more efficient than for example night storage, or panel heaters with dual immersion.

    If over time we can drive down the emissions associated with producing electricity, Heat Pumps will be a strong tool and a better bet than at present. For now I tend to suggest that they are a good idea if electric is the only alternative on site, or if the electricity they will consume can be provided on site via PV or wind power.

    If every housebuilder only does the minimum necessary to achieve Code 3 compliance currently (or L1A 2010 compliance based on consultation SAP and consultation L1A) using air source heat pumps to help make it easier to get dwellings to pass, but otherwise the least they can possibly get away with, then overall the amount of CO2 emissions from housebuilding will go up – not down.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeApr 1st 2010
     
    Sigaldry, all this wisdom and experience you're giving us is about SAP2005, so about to be superseded (hopefully) by something less full of anomalies?
    • CommentAuthorSigaldry
    • CommentTimeApr 1st 2010 edited
     
    Done lots of modelling using consultation SAP, consultation code for sustainable homes (Fabric Energy Efficiency targets seem too easy to achieve) and consultation Approved Document L1A.

    (Consultation CfSH sets out Fabric Energy Efficiency requirements with mandatory levels required for given code levels, which means that a certain standard of fabric will be required to be achieved to hit the mandatory requirements as well as the CO2 emissions / Energy targets).

    However as these are all consultation documents (with the exception now of the recently published SAP 2009), whatever I tell you based on that work could be wrong - I haven't seen the final L1A 2010 document yet.

    The party walls issue for instance has changed between consultation version and final version. (Now party walls in the target are set at 0.00 W/m²K, whereas the target was set at 0.40 W/m²K for consultation reference specification). Under the consultation documents and cSAP, full filling the cavity and thereby stopping heat loss though the party wall cavity up into the loft space would result in a reasonable chunk of your 25% improvement over L1A 2006 levels being achieved. The result of the change from target of 0.40 changing to 0.00 means that developers will need to solve the party wall issue and then still have to undertake various other measures to make up the 25% improvement. This follows the scottish building standards consultation proposal to that particular measure.

    The proposed change in Low Energy Lighting to minimum 75% (whereas using current regulations/SAP 2005 the figure is set within SAP at 30%) will immediately save a fair amount of CO2 emissions/Electricity costs as Low Energy Lighting was proposed in consultation document to be 'tradeable' as far as Dwelling Emission rate calculation is concerned.

    However - as noted - I don't now know for sure what is in and what's not.

    I can say that using the consultation software and documents L1A 2010 compliance seemed easier than current Code for Sustainable Homes level 3 25% improvement over L1A 2006 DER. Equally Code 4 under the consultation seemed a lot easier than under current reg's/SAP CfSH Level 4.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeApr 1st 2010
     
    More valuable stuff, but didn't precisely answer my question?
    • CommentAuthorSigaldry
    • CommentTimeApr 1st 2010
     
    Well SAP 2009 is based on a monthly calculation rather than yearly and various information from SAP 2005 has been updated, thermal mass now taken into account (low thermal mass actually works out in SAP 2009 consultation at least as better for emissions) - but as I don't know which particular anomolies you are talking about, it's hard to comment on whether they have been fixed.

    I would guess that it's probably more accurate than it was before for calculating potential emissions.

    At it's heart it is still based on standard occupancy and standard behaviour, so won't represent actual emissions/costs for real people living in a house in their own particular way of living; But it does serve as a reasonable comparison tool to determine whether a given house with its own particular specification is likely to be better or worse for cost and environmental impact than another.
  6.  
    I was project architect (in previous employment) for a social housing project, Creagan Gorm Cottages in the Cairngorms, SAP cals said it achieved CSH4 for carbon emissions. The u-values etc are in the article.
    http://www.cihhousing.com/story.aspx?storycode=6507066

    Glasgow University are working on POE project for these houses, some point in the next few months there might be some data on the energy in use and how that correlates to the SAP predictions.

    Cheers
    Matt
  7.  
    Thanks Matt
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