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    • CommentAuthormarktime
    • CommentTimeJun 14th 2012
     
    Tom Murphy offers a primer on spectra, terminology and efficiency.

    Maths alert.

    http://www.theoildrum.com/node/9217
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeJun 14th 2012
     
    For the non-physicists among us, in plain English...

    http://www.brillianz.co.uk/data/documents/Lumen.pdf

    And whilst a direct comparison cannot be made because the two terms (lumens and watts) refer to totally different things, if you're looking for a replacement bulb in Tesco then the following might help...

    http://www.clarkhoward.com/watt-to-lumen-lightbulb-conversion/

    :wink:
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeJun 14th 2012
     
    Striking how lumen/W efficiency increases considerably, for incandescents, as W goes up. Far from linear. Never knew that. Does anything like that apply to CFLs, LEDs etc?
    • CommentAuthorbillt
    • CommentTimeJun 14th 2012
     
    It does to some extent for CFLs. Small ones with thin tubes and lots of folds are much less efficient than bigger ones with straight tubes. GU10 CFLs are spectacularly inefficient.

    LEDs are the reverse. They become slightly less efficient (and less reliable) as they get hotter.
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      CommentAuthorDamonHD
    • CommentTimeJun 14th 2012
     
    FT: it's also not the same for 110V and 240V so US sites give numbers that are slightly different from what will be true in the UK, AFAIK.

    No such thing will apply to LED or CFLs in any straightforward way, I believe, which are effectively constant voltage or constant current devices which have regulated supplies. Though as billt points out, *physical* contraints may have an effect, and also LEDs may be more efficient at very low voltages with no need to step down, and CFLs at higher voltages with no need to step up.

    Rgds

    Damon
  1.  
    A gents loo??????????:confused:
  2.  
    Gusty, so sorry - It took me ages!!! Must sleep more!
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeJun 14th 2012
     
    Watt are you on about gusty?!
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeJun 14th 2012
     
    As opposed to watts a luwomen, to which the answer appears to be a basketball team. :wink:
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      CommentAuthorDamonHD
    • CommentTimeJun 14th 2012
     
    luwimmin surely?

    Rgds

    Damon
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeJun 14th 2012
     
    Poor Keith must be pulling his hair out. :crazy:

    "My lovely forum. Look what they're doing to it." :cry:

    Now come on. Settle down lads. :angry:
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      CommentAuthorDamonHD
    • CommentTimeJun 14th 2012
     
    And ladettes...

    Rgds

    Damon
  3.  
    Sorry, couldn't resist.
    I promise to grow up in the near future...........:tooth:
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeJun 15th 2012
     
    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: fostertom</cite>Striking how lumen/W efficiency increases considerably, for incandescents, as W goes up.</blockquote>

    Presumably because as the temperature changes the spectrum of a black body moves so more is in the visible range ???

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Planck%27s_law_vs_frequency.png

    If that's the cause I suppose it might not be true for animals (cameras?) that have a different response curve ???
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeJun 15th 2012
     
    Does temp increase with W? I'da thought the resistance coil just gets longer, so temp remains same but more coil doing the emitting. If temp increases, life must decrease.
    • CommentAuthorrhamdu
    • CommentTimeJun 18th 2012
     
    Two distinct effects here. It depends whether you are comparing bulbs with different rated wattages, or comparing the same bulb run at two different power levels.

    (1) a 150W bulb is more efficient than a 40W if both are run at their rated voltage. This is the phenomenon fostertom noted 4 days ago. I think it is something to do with heat lost by conduction through the filament support wires. Could be complicated, though.

    (2) any incandescent bulb, run above its rated voltage, will consume more watts and also emit more lumens per watt, i.e. become more efficient, for the reason CWatters gives. But as fostertom points out, the bulb life is reduced. Conversely, bulbs become hugely inefficient when dimmed. If you want lower lighting in a room, it's more efficient to turn off some of the lights altogether, than to turn them all down with a dimmer.

    You might like to think about the claim commonly made by manufacturers, that dimmers 'save energy'. Justified, or not?
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      CommentAuthorDamonHD
    • CommentTimeJun 18th 2012
     
    I think that the claim is spurious, and having the ability to selectively turn some off entirely is superior in several ways.

    Rgds

    Damon
    • CommentAuthorrhamdu
    • CommentTimeJun 18th 2012
     
    Oh and by the way - thanks, marktime and Joiner, for those links.

    But please, everyone, when reading http://www.brillianz.co.uk/data/documents/Lumen.pdf do remember that LED technology has advanced greatly since 2006 when the document was written.
  4.  
    Yup looks like 100W/lm is now the minimum LED target to be achieved before purchase when just 6 months ago I was happy with a stretch target of 80-90 ish.

    BTW - thanks for the larfs!
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