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Posted By: cjardcondensation occurs when the air close to a surface holds too much moisture for the temperature that the cooler surface reduces the air to.This myth that air “holds†moisture was found to be wrong 200 years ago. Please stop repeating it.
Thermal bridges, by definition are warmer than the surrounding unbridged area, because more heat is flowing through them because they're a bridge.Only if there's insulation on the outside. If there's a bit more insulation on the inside, why wouldn't they be “by definition†colder than the surrounding unbridged area?
Posted By: EdThis myth that air “holds†moisture was found to be wrong 200 years ago. Please stop repeating it.
Only if there's insulation on the outside. If there's a bit more insulation on the inside, why wouldn't they be “by definition†colder than the surrounding unbridged area?
Posted By: Ed DaviesAs to thermal bridges: why would the bridge be warmer than the surrounding materials? Because it's in better thermal contact with the indoor air [²]? But mightn't it also be in better thermal contact with the outdoor air so shouldn't it be cooler, too?
Posted By: Ed DaviesModelling the timber and mineral wool as 245 mm and 5 mm to get an “instrumentation point†I calculate the temperature 5 mm inboard in the mineral wool is 0.34722… °C whereas in the timber it's a fraction cooler at 0.270270… °C.
Posted By: djhI don't think you've allowed for the surface resistances.Good point, forgot those.
Incidentally, if you're bothering with PUR on the inside for some reason, then what about the plasterboard, VCL, OSB, breather etc etc? Why 245 mm, the frame is 140 mm?I was just responding to cjard's “by definition†comment about cold bridges being warmer without going back and re-reading the earlier bits of the thread. Still, the OP's drawing on the first page has (by coincidence) got 25 mm of insulation on the inside. Plus a battened service void behind the plasterboard which would add about the same again. Breather and VLC won't affect the thermal conditions much.