Tue, 19 Dec 2023 04:00:58 +0000 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.0.3 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18045&Focus=304541#Comment_304541 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18045&Focus=304541#Comment_304541 Fri, 08 Dec 2023 15:56:08 +0000 Rex
Have a 12v 5W halogen in the garage door opening motor that has given up the ghost. Would like to replace with a wider beam angle bulb and LED seems to be the way to go.

But seems that it is not so easy to just plug one in (balanced transformer / flickering) or am I missing something?

Will any of China's finest 12V 5W LED bulbs be plug and go or do I need to fiddle with things?

Thanks]]> http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18045&Focus=304542#Comment_304542 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18045&Focus=304542#Comment_304542 Fri, 08 Dec 2023 17:32:42 +0000 owlman You may find a wider choice of beam widths and outputs etc in LED GU10.]]> http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18045&Focus=304546#Comment_304546 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18045&Focus=304546#Comment_304546 Fri, 08 Dec 2023 21:56:52 +0000 djh http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18045&Focus=304548#Comment_304548 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18045&Focus=304548#Comment_304548 Sat, 09 Dec 2023 07:42:55 +0000 Rex
As for the bulb holder itself, there is only the ceramic base with the two wires, not actually fixed to anything, just floating. The bulb is kept in place by a C shaped spring around the edge circumference.

A for the number on the bulb, only listing what is printed. The brightness is not so important as the light only runs for three mins as a default when the door is opened or closed. It is not a garage illuminating light.]]> http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18045&Focus=304552#Comment_304552 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18045&Focus=304552#Comment_304552 Sat, 09 Dec 2023 13:08:30 +0000 owlman
https://www.toolstation.com/spare-lampholder/p93364]]> http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18045&Focus=304618#Comment_304618 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18045&Focus=304618#Comment_304618 Sat, 16 Dec 2023 07:32:35 +0000 Rex
I have inadvertently ordered and had delivered a 240v LED MR16 rather than what I though I was ordering, a 12v.

Given Owlman's suggestion above, is there any reason that I should not by-pass the transformer and just attach the 240v wires directly to the existing MR16 bulb holder? Would both wires and holder be designed to handle 240v?]]> http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18045&Focus=304619#Comment_304619 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18045&Focus=304619#Comment_304619 Sat, 16 Dec 2023 10:59:19 +0000 owlman http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18045&Focus=304620#Comment_304620 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18045&Focus=304620#Comment_304620 Sat, 16 Dec 2023 11:52:56 +0000 djh http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18045&Focus=304643#Comment_304643 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18045&Focus=304643#Comment_304643 Sun, 17 Dec 2023 12:22:38 +0000 Rex
Would be happy with a 12v LED MR16 but seems that a single bulb will not run from the existing transformer. Is that right? I just want to plug in a replacement LED wider beam bulb but everything I am reading mentions the need for an LED transformer or a number of LED bulbs to equate to the wattage output of the existing transformer.]]> http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18045&Focus=304645#Comment_304645 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18045&Focus=304645#Comment_304645 Sun, 17 Dec 2023 14:42:00 +0000 owlman If you want to ditch 12V in favour of mains then best to go GU10.
I can't remember where I once read about mains MR16 not being compliant. It may well be OK; I'm guessing here but it may also be something to do with the flimsy pin connectors, the twist and lock GU10 being more secure for mains usage .]]> http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18045&Focus=304649#Comment_304649 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18045&Focus=304649#Comment_304649 Sun, 17 Dec 2023 17:46:41 +0000 Peter_in_Hungary e.g.

https://jet.hu/zar0307-led-izzo-20-smd-2835-4w-mr16-230v-17676

Whilst these are over here they must be EU compliant so should be OK for UK despite Brexit.]]> http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18045&Focus=304651#Comment_304651 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18045&Focus=304651#Comment_304651 Sun, 17 Dec 2023 18:33:24 +0000 owlman OK, compliant was maybe the wrong word. Rex inadvertently bought an MR16 reflector with a GU5.3 base instead of a GU10 base.
I was attempting to answer whether a GU5.3 base is permissible for mains voltage in general household use, as opposed to factory fitted specific equipment, which can be the case.
Possibly this may lead to confusion and people replacing 12V GU5.3s reflectors with mains voltage ones and vice versa. Hence the GU10 base being the more usual mains voltage option.
I don't know if this is the case just surmising.]]> http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18045&Focus=304652#Comment_304652 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18045&Focus=304652#Comment_304652 Sun, 17 Dec 2023 19:37:18 +0000 Rex
Thanks for the thoughts. I did not actually buy a MR16 reflector with a GU5.3 base, the garage door operator came with it fitted.

Seems the best option is to buy a GU10 base and wire it directly to the incoming mains. My guess is that the motor itself operates from a transformer.

Will give some thought to opening the unit and have a browse.]]> http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18045&Focus=304654#Comment_304654 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18045&Focus=304654#Comment_304654 Sun, 17 Dec 2023 21:02:14 +0000 djh Posted By: RexSeems the best option is to buy a GU10 base and wire it directly to the incoming mains. My guess is that the motor itself operates from a transformer.Depends whether mains is fed to the unit and the voltage reduced by a transformer inside it, or whether the voltage is reduced by a wall wart and only 12 V is supplied to the opener.]]> http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18045&Focus=304665#Comment_304665 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18045&Focus=304665#Comment_304665 Mon, 18 Dec 2023 13:18:50 +0000 Rex http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18045&Focus=304672#Comment_304672 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18045&Focus=304672#Comment_304672 Mon, 18 Dec 2023 19:03:55 +0000 Rex
But I have found this which does tick one box, that of a wider beam angle.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Spotlight-Generation-Equivalent-Halogen-Dimmable/dp/B07J5TJ1S2/ref=sr_1_42?keywords=MR16%2BBulb&qid=1702923211&sr=8-42&th=1

Given what I have read that I need an LED that says 'the equivalent of' and this exceed the halogen of 35W, is this likely to work flicker free? Although it does say it needs a LED transformer and I don't imagine it is possible to wire one into the motor housing so that it does give the 3 minutes.]]> http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18045&Focus=304673#Comment_304673 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18045&Focus=304673#Comment_304673 Mon, 18 Dec 2023 19:44:52 +0000 Peter_in_Hungary You can get adjustible timers for bathroom fans that come on with the bathroom light - in your case the start of the door motor - and will stay on until the light (door motor) stops and then over runs by the set time then turns off.
The wiring is permanent neutral, permanent live and a live feed from the switched power to the motor.]]>