Green Building Forum - Energy use reduction. Tue, 19 Dec 2023 05:52:46 +0000 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.0.3 Energy use reduction. http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=14428&Focus=244762#Comment_244762 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=14428&Focus=244762#Comment_244762 Fri, 29 Jul 2016 18:17:10 +0100 tony
I love this kind of talk and very much hope for the scale of delivery mentioned with a SMART target of date and percentage.]]> Energy use reduction. http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=14428&Focus=244765#Comment_244765 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=14428&Focus=244765#Comment_244765 Fri, 29 Jul 2016 18:36:49 +0100 fostertom Energy use reduction. http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=14428&Focus=244772#Comment_244772 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=14428&Focus=244772#Comment_244772 Fri, 29 Jul 2016 19:32:01 +0100 gravelld
I'm more concerned about ambition.]]> Energy use reduction. http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=14428&Focus=244773#Comment_244773 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=14428&Focus=244773#Comment_244773 Fri, 29 Jul 2016 19:50:06 +0100 daiking
Price the poor out of using it...]]> Energy use reduction. http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=14428&Focus=244777#Comment_244777 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=14428&Focus=244777#Comment_244777 Fri, 29 Jul 2016 21:13:33 +0100 tony Energy use reduction. http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=14428&Focus=244781#Comment_244781 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=14428&Focus=244781#Comment_244781 Fri, 29 Jul 2016 22:00:12 +0100 gyrogear Posted By: tonySmart meters don't do anything, if you are smart you can look at your own meter.

+1

Also, putting water meters "on display" in bathrooms might go a long way towards changing people's thought processes...

gg]]> Energy use reduction. http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=14428&Focus=244783#Comment_244783 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=14428&Focus=244783#Comment_244783 Fri, 29 Jul 2016 22:50:00 +0100 daiking Posted By: gyrogear
Posted By: tonySmart meters don't do anything, if you are smart you can look at your own meter.


+1

Also, putting water meters "on display" in bathrooms might go a long way towards changing people's thought processes...

gg

What about the half of households without water meters?]]> Energy use reduction. http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=14428&Focus=244784#Comment_244784 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=14428&Focus=244784#Comment_244784 Fri, 29 Jul 2016 23:00:17 +0100 SteamyTea Posted By: daikingWhat about the half of households without water meters?They should be forced to have them.
Though my views are skewed living in one of the poorest parts of the EU but with the most expensive water in the UK by a long way.]]> Energy use reduction. http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=14428&Focus=244792#Comment_244792 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=14428&Focus=244792#Comment_244792 Sat, 30 Jul 2016 09:20:18 +0100 fostertom https://www.google.co.uk/#q=minister+says+reduce+energy+usage+29+July+2016 - is that it?]]> Energy use reduction. http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=14428&Focus=244794#Comment_244794 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=14428&Focus=244794#Comment_244794 Sat, 30 Jul 2016 09:55:37 +0100 tony Energy use reduction. http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=14428&Focus=244796#Comment_244796 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=14428&Focus=244796#Comment_244796 Sat, 30 Jul 2016 10:59:56 +0100 gyrogear Posted By: SteamyTeaThey should be forced to have them.

+1

I never saw a car without a "petrol meter" !

gg]]> Energy use reduction. http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=14428&Focus=244799#Comment_244799 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=14428&Focus=244799#Comment_244799 Sat, 30 Jul 2016 12:13:04 +0100 SteamyTea Posted By: tonyYes but I heard a good interview on radio 4 but can't find it nowI caught a bit of one, was in The World At One, a couple of days ago?
Seemed to be a bit of a debate as I remember.]]> Energy use reduction. http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=14428&Focus=244818#Comment_244818 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=14428&Focus=244818#Comment_244818 Sat, 30 Jul 2016 17:00:22 +0100 tony Energy use reduction. http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=14428&Focus=244826#Comment_244826 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=14428&Focus=244826#Comment_244826 Sat, 30 Jul 2016 20:03:48 +0100 Peter_in_Hungary 1 It will cost jobs (e.g. no Hinkley C)
2 It will reduce the profit line for energy companies and their share holders

So given the lost jobs in the energy industry which the government may not like and the impact on the profit line for the energy companies how much appetite will there for a substantial energy reduction program?

I can't see the energy cos. being allowed to jack up the prices to maintain profit in the face of falling demand and if reduction is widespread then falling gas/oil prices will also put downward pressure on retail energy prices]]> Energy use reduction. http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=14428&Focus=244829#Comment_244829 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=14428&Focus=244829#Comment_244829 Sat, 30 Jul 2016 21:26:07 +0100 gravelld
They seem a cost to business, incumbent rentiers rather than productive innovators.

I'm talking about npower et al, not the Teslas.]]> Energy use reduction. http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=14428&Focus=244833#Comment_244833 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=14428&Focus=244833#Comment_244833 Sat, 30 Jul 2016 22:33:36 +0100 SteamyTea Posted By: gravelldAre energy companies or the sector economically productive, as such?Try running a business without them. They have strategic importance for all sectors of the economy.

It is very hard to improve on electricity as a delivered service. Natural gas (and drinking water/sewage) is similar. These are mature industries that now deliver a reliable and consistent product for a very low price. It is about time we appreciated them more I think.]]> Energy use reduction. http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=14428&Focus=244867#Comment_244867 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=14428&Focus=244867#Comment_244867 Sun, 31 Jul 2016 18:37:12 +0100 gravelld Posted By: SteamyTea
Posted By: gravelldAre energy companies or the sector economically productive, as such?
Try running a business without them. They have strategic importance for all sectors of the economy.

That's not the definition of economically productive. In fact it's a pre-requisite of a rentier!

Posted By: SteamyTea
It is very hard to improve on electricity as a delivered service. Natural gas (and drinking water/sewage) is similar. These are mature industries that now deliver a reliable and consistent product for a very low price. It is about time we appreciated them more I think.
I'm not sure that's the case, but if it was, seems to me the worst way of working with that is to have a small number of gigantic incumbents. Sure Good Energy exists but...]]>