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    • CommentAuthorFred56
    • CommentTimeMar 26th 2014
     
    I'm canvassing for practical experience with PV inverters. The inverter on our system has just died at 25 months. It was an Eversolar which is now called Zeversolar and is part of SMA. It's in warranty but clearly a life of only two years is completely useless. I'm thinking about replacing it with a better unit. Our system is a 2kWp. Whta are the most reliable inverters?

    NB we did not choose the original, it was what the installer supplied. Internet searches illustrate that the Eversolar stuff fails at around 2 years.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeMar 26th 2014
     
    I was chatting to an installer the other day about SMAs and he said there has been a faulty batch (about 18 months back). They changed about 50 of them. Shame as I liked SMAs.
    • CommentAuthorFred56
    • CommentTimeMar 26th 2014
     
    Thanks, so not SMA. If that many fail with one installer surely the whole lot should be recalled.
    • CommentAuthorEd Davies
    • CommentTimeMar 26th 2014
     
    Any company can have a faulty batch. So long as it's not a habit, if they deal with it well from the warranty point of view, etc, then surely that counts for rather than against them.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeMar 26th 2014
     
    It was a faulty batch apparently. All replaced by SMA as far as I know.
    I still rate them highly.
    Stecca are good, and they kick in at 80V, but pricey.
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    I was going to say SMA. Ours for the wind turbine at work lasted 11 years. I have left now, but I think maybe the PV inverter is still OK at 13 years old. It's a good time to remind people who do PV payback calcs without adding in one inverter change at least.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeMar 26th 2014
     
    I think I heard that SMA had pulled out of the wind market. No idea why.
    • CommentAuthorFred56
    • CommentTimeMar 26th 2014
     
    11 to 13 years I could understand and live with. Few electrical devices last that long. The longest life I have ever experienced in an eletcrical device is a Sansui receiver that I bought in 1977 but even then, only the amp bit still works.

    The Eversolar seems to have a record of failure going back to 2011, there is even one for sale on Ebay with exactly the same fault as mine, Relay-Check Fail. My supplier has had 5 such failures on this model.

    The warranty claim looks like developing into a saga. I reckon it may be worth buying an alternative and reselling the replacement Eversolar if it ever arrives.
    • CommentAuthorbxman
    • CommentTimeMar 27th 2014
     
    Power-one are amongst the best as far as I know .
    Hope I will be still saying so in 15 years time who knows.
    • CommentAuthorsnyggapa
    • CommentTimeSep 1st 2014 edited
     
    just had my eversolar (now zeversolar) fail after about 2.5 years - same fault - relay check failure.

    Spoke to warranty support, nice man told me that there will be "some delay" in getting a replacement as they are out of stock and waiting for some to be sent from China - with no idea at all of dates.

    Will update as things progress but looks like I'm going to miss a best part of the generation season :(
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeSep 2nd 2014
     
    Just had an Enphase system installed (we have some tree shading issues). It will be a few months before it actually gets connected to the mains but meanwhile I'm quite happy with the downfeed cable just lying around in a coil :bigsmile:

    I'll let you all know how it works out.
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    company I sub to for PV installs has got about 1000+ Aurora power one installs PVI 3.6 no faults to date. On one of my own job I had one go wrong on commissioning but they replaced within a fortnight and paid me for doing it.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeSep 2nd 2014
     
    Aurora do seem to have the edge on reliability now from what I have heard. I was always and SMA fan, but not so sure now.
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    Posted By: SteamyTeaAurora do seem to have the edge on reliability now from what I have heard.

    I hope you are correct. Our Aurora PVI-3.6-OUTD-S-UK was commission just over 4 years ago & has done sterling service so far.

    However this guy has been having recent problems with a different model:
    http://www.navitron.org.uk/forum/index.php/topic,23204.0.html
    • CommentAuthorFred56
    • CommentTimeSep 6th 2014
     
    The way it worked out for us was a lengthy wait for delivery of the replacement Zeversolar unit. They keep no replacements at all in Europe and all have to shipped from China. We lost around 5 weeks or so. The European office is in Germany and their customer support is nigh on useless and they frequently do not respond. Their default position is to try to waste time and your money in carrying out tests on the installation trying to shift blame. Zeversolar is SMA so beware.

    Our original supplier can't be faulted. As soon as the inverter was delivered we called him and he was here and had it fitted all inside 2 hours. He has stopped using Eversolar/Zeversolar due to the high failure rate and complete lack of customer support.
    I am expecting another failure and it will probably be out of the warranty period (5 years) so will replace with another brand. Thanks everyone for the suggestions. I have made a note for future reference.
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    All rather depressing! Well Fred you seem to have reached a resolution of sorts so if I may piggybvack onto your thread. Having retired early, got myself my new life and invested my lump sum in getting my future bills lower I now realise that things do not last forever! With quite a low regular income I really ought to save for replacement of those major capital items I deliberately liberally funded on retirement. Yes I have an SMA inverter now 4.5 years old but how long is a piece of string? For a start does anyone know how much a new inverter costs for a 5.1Kw system? How much should I save each month, given my SMA is 4.5 years old? Or to put it another way what is the MTBF for an inverter? Of course one of the problems is one only hears about inverter failures not from those who have never had a problem.....
    • CommentAuthorbillt
    • CommentTimeSep 6th 2014
     
    RRP for a Sunny Boy 5000TL is about £1250 + VAT, other makers are a lot cheaper. I acquired an earlier generation 5000 for £1000 last year.

    The FIT was originally set on the assumption that the inverter would need to be replaced once or twice in the 25 year payment period. That seems a perfectly reasonable, if pessimistic, assumption to me.

    Aa GTIs are now commodity items and priced accordingly, I wouldn't worry too much about the cost.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeSep 6th 2014
     
    This is what SMA say about MTBF (mean time before failure).
    http://files.sma.de/dl/1371/SB-Info_2001-04_en.pdf

    100,000 hours or over 20 years.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeSep 7th 2014
     
    Posted By: GotanewlifeI really ought to save for replacement of those major capital items I deliberately liberally funded on retirement.

    One of the things that attracted me about the Enphase system was the 25-year warranty (though their site says 20 years so it might be interesting trying to claim in the last five years). Another thing is that if one of the inverters goes, it's only £80 to replace it. So there should be no large outlays even when units do fail out of warranty. Although I suppose there might be a case for replacing the lot to a schedule as they do with fluorescents in a warehouse or factory.
    • CommentAuthorsnyggapa
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2014
     
    update - took 10 WEEKS to get a replacement from Zeversolar / Eversolar - and their extended warranties are no longer available.

    not a company I would use products from again.

    -Steve
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