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Politics: The Green Deal Is Coming Back

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    • CommentAuthordb8000
    • CommentTimeDec 15th 2014 edited
     
    Posted By: RedDoorI hope to be able to post that we've had a completed installation in the next 5 weeks otherwise I'll be asking for help on contract law and the small claims court


    Start now. Time is not of the essence in English contract law unless it is agreed by the parties to be or is made of the essence by the surrounding circumstances.

    I don't know how the GDHIF works but if u personally have money at risk, make it clear to the installer that the work must be completed by a certain date for compliance with GDHIF terms. Tell them that you are making time of the essence because the contract was entered into on the basis you could claim the voucher.

    Your comment on the cost being inflated is interesting. That's what's put me off even trying. The thought that the grant doesn't really make a difference.
    • CommentAuthorTriassic
    • CommentTimeDec 15th 2014 edited
     
    A friend of mine has a voucher for EWI, having had the survey they decided that their financial contribution requirements were too high. Strangely the surveyor was trying to add on all sorts of extras which he say they would have to pay for, such as move the oil tank and the oil fired central heating vent and oil supply pipework. So they still have the voucher but have no intention of using it.
    • CommentAuthorringi
    • CommentTimeDec 15th 2014
     
    Until this “stop, go” is sorted out, the cost of EWI will not come down.
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeDec 15th 2014
     
    Sounds like the quote they got before applying for the voucher didn't include everything necessary to meet the Building Regs?
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    Its typical I'm afraid. A client of mime had an original quote for one job of £85/m2 which he agreed. The week before they were due to start the price jumped to £140/m2:shocked:

    The excuse was that they didn't realise it was scraped render finish (they though it was dash render)
    • CommentAuthorMike George
    • CommentTimeDec 16th 2014 edited
     
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    And now its gone again... at least for EWI

    Dear God! Why do they even bother?!
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      CommentAuthorjoe90
    • CommentTimeDec 17th 2014
     
    Oh bugger, and there was I thinking I would get it done. I wonder if it is worth applying so that I can be top of the list for the next release. Also as we bought the house only a couple of months ago an EPC was done but there was no recomendations as it was done for the purchase not for a grant???
    • CommentAuthorMike George
    • CommentTimeDec 17th 2014 edited
     
    Hi Joe, The EPC will have a list of measures which could be done together with approximate savings. This is all you need to put in a claim for the Green Deal voucher. A green Deal report is optional not compulsory if the EPC is recent (within two years I think)

    If you do not have your EPC to hand you can access a copy here https://www.epcregister.com/reportSearchAddressTerms.html?redirect=reportSearchAddressByPostcode

    I think you have to wait for the next release before putting in a claim - first come first served I believe (unless they change things again.......)
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      CommentAuthorjoe90
    • CommentTimeDec 17th 2014
     
    Mike, thanks a lot for that link, the thing that puzzles me is the EPC is dated 2010 but we bought this house a few months ago???? I know nothing has changed but it needs to be within date!!!
    • CommentAuthorgravelld
    • CommentTimeDec 17th 2014
     
    I guess they just took a long time to sell the house?

    A GDAR also tends to contain additional measures.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeDec 17th 2014
     
    I think an EPC is valid for a decade.
    • CommentAuthorMikeee5
    • CommentTimeDec 17th 2014 edited
     
    I am considering going down the Competent Roofer route to become registered as a Green Deal approved installer with a view to undertake Green Deal and ECO work. My company works to BS EN ISO 9001 : 2008 and our quality management system should be compliant to PAS 2030. We would be looking at upgrading the insulation of flat roofs and can provide warm roof build ups with dry applied GRP or High Performance Felt systems for the waterproofing membrane. I have read that the home owner has to pick 2 energy saving upgrades from the list and wondered if anyone had any idea of what sort of percentage would likely choose the flat roof option? It could be that unless it is a large flat roof area the saving would be less for Solar & Cavity Wall insulation and the percentage would be very little! But on the other hand I guess not all properties are suitable for Solar Panels.

    Cheers

    Mikeee5
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      CommentAuthorjoe90
    • CommentTimeDec 17th 2014
     
    Nick, The EPC must be within the last two years to qualify for the green deal stuff, I have Emailed the assessor that did the EPC and told him nothing has changed with the house what will it take to re date the assessment. Also on the old EPC they recommend 50mm of EWI, I suggested it should be a min on 100mm!!!!!
    • CommentAuthorgravelld
    • CommentTimeDec 17th 2014
     
    Mikeeee5, the gubmint release stats. With regards GDHIF (which you alluded to by mentioning two measures) see for example: https://decc.blog.gov.uk/2014/08/21/green-deal-statistical-release/ which shows up to July a grand total of 0% of delivered measures were flat roof insulation. But that's with a very small sample size. Either way, you should be able to find out.
    • CommentAuthorMikeee5
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2014 edited
     
    Thanks for the link gravelld. There's quite a lot of information here:
    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/346182/Monthly_Statistical_Release_-_Green_Deal_and_ECO_in_GB_21_August_FINAL.pdf

    I guess Flat Roof insulation would come under other insulation which is very low. I'm surprised that Double Glazing is at the bottom of the list too.

    Are you guys ok if I ask a few more questions on this thread or am I drifting from the main topic ?

    Mikeee5
    • CommentAuthorgravelld
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2014
     
    As long as the topic is the Green Deal I don't see a problem.

    Might be worth looking at the ECO scheme too which is doing some flat roof insulation.

    You can see from the stats that the scheme is basically either designed to only provide EWI for solid wall properties or act as a boiler replacement subsidy for mains gas properties. The flue gas recovery figures are very high because that became the default add on to achieve the two measures that had to be installed.

    Personally I would not set up a business based on government schemes. They are arcane, slow in delivery and subject to political pressure and change.
    • CommentAuthorMikeee5
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2014
     
    Thanks for that Gravelld. It's an existing business I'm just trying to weigh up whether it's worth jumping through all the extra hoops to become an approved Green Deal installer. What's the difference between the Green Deal Scheme and ECO?

    Mikeee5
    • CommentAuthorgravelld
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2014
     
    I'm not sure whether ECO is considered part of GD or not, but anyway... ECO are the schemes where energy companies have to stump up for various energy related things - insulation, new boilers etc. There are a few schemes within ECO which concentrate on different things: those on benefits, those in deprived areas and there are also some universal schemes. https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/environmental-programmes/energy-companies-obligation-eco explains the different parts.

    GD, as I see it, is the GDHIF or the "traditional" GD financing.
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    Not sure there is much (if any) ECO money left un- allocated -

    Mikeee5 - There is plenty of work out there for approved GD installers - though for how long remains to be seen -

    I considered it for a while, but came to the conclusion that the funding stream is too unreliable. Also you will be competing against the big guns as well as the fly by night boys in it for a quick killing - it's a minefield
    • CommentAuthoratomicbisf
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2014
     
    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: Nick Parsons</cite>And now its gone again... at least for EWI

    Dear God! Why do they even bother?!</blockquote>

    I think this shows that there <i>is</i> a demand from people to upgrade their homes, if it is made affordable.
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    Alternatively, the shysters who grabbed all the vouchers last time are at it again:cry:
    • CommentAuthorMikeee5
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2014 edited
     
    Got it now thanks Gravelld, another useful link too. Thank you for the Heads Up Mike. Are you in the Cavity Wall business and how do the vouchers work?
    • CommentAuthorgravelld
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2014
     
    ECO has just been restarted IIRC, new release of cash.

    But do you really want to be bound by all this nonsense?
    • CommentAuthorMikeee5
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2014
     
    Reading between the lines it does look like quite a volatile avenue!
    • CommentAuthorgravelld
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2014
     
    The lines about five miles apart ;-)
    • CommentAuthorMikeee5
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2014
     
    Does that include Green Deal Work or is that just the ECO avenue?
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    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: Mikeee5</cite>Got it now thanks Gravelld, another useful link too. Thank you for the Heads Up Mike. Are you in the Cavity Wall business and how do the vouchers work?</blockquote>

    No, only EWI not cavity work. How the vouchers work is quite a long winded affair - especially as it seems to be changing all the time. If you get the mag I did a piece all about the vouchers in the summer http://www.greenbuildingpress.co.uk/products.php?category_id=6
    • CommentAuthorMikeee5
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2014
     
    Thanks for that Mike. I will purchase the mag and take a look at your article.
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    Reading between the lines it does look like quite a volatile avenue!


    I think I used to live on Volatile Avenue.... Did you say it was in Reading?:bigsmile:

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