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    • CommentAuthorrevor
    • CommentTimeJan 8th 2023
     
    Posted By: borpinhttps://dilbert.com/strip/2023-01-01" rel="nofollow" >https://dilbert.com/strip/2023-01-01


    Nice one. Is that what was happening in No 10 yesterday?
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeJan 8th 2023 edited
     
    Posted By: JontiIMO it's success will depend less on the 'technical' and more on an emphasis on wellbeing/life satisfaction being the standard by which success is judged rather than money
    Agreed - in other words politics, if not revolution, against powerful vested opposition. Level of technological develoipment is merely a necessary condition, not the mechanism by which communism might get tried.
    • CommentAuthorHollyBush
    • CommentTimeJan 8th 2023
     
    Might be worth checking out how the consensus is arrived at. I do like the Delphi Method.

    I ran one once and was please with how the arguments evolved and the group reach consensus after 3 or 4 rounds.

    All depends what kind of decision is needed - sometimes a quick one is better. The catch with many things is that things change.
    • CommentAuthorJeff B
    • CommentTimeJan 8th 2023
     
    I remember using Kepner Tregoe analysis in the 1980's during my working life - was very useful for making decisions about purchasing machinery or hiring people.
    • CommentAuthorcjard
    • CommentTimeJan 10th 2023
     
    "The consensus is that not many houses in any of the local estates have them so they can’t be necessary"

    Would the same logic apply to e.g. insulation?
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeJan 10th 2023
     
    Yes, if there was a consensus 🙂
    • CommentAuthorJonti
    • CommentTimeJan 10th 2023
     
    Posted By: cjard"The consensus is that not many houses in any of the local estates have them so they can’t be necessary"

    Would the same logic apply to e.g. insulation?


    Absence of something is not proof of lack of desire. You also need to know why there is a lack of insulation otherwise it is not an informed opinion/decision.
    • CommentAuthorrevor
    • CommentTimeJan 11th 2023
     
    Posted By: Jeff BI remember using Kepner Tregoe analysis


    I too have used Kepner Tregoe but that was in the context of problem solving production problems. I had not appreciated its possible use in decision making but on reflection the problem solving was a decision making process.
    One of the difficulties with a decision making process is firstly agreeing the boundaries of what is included which should be done at the beginning. Too often what is included in the consideration is not understood by those involved and discussion can go off on a tangent.
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    Posted By: JontiAbsence of something is not proof of lack of desire. You also need to know why there is a lack of insulation otherwise it is not an informed opinion/decision.

    The reasoning for the decision is not part of the decision making process but rather as part of the post event analysis looking at why that particular decision was brought.

    To continue with the insulation theme - The lack of insulation is perhaps because those providing the insulation (or any other product or service) gain little or no advantage in providing anything other than the absolute minimum required and this fact would be one of the main drivers for the decision.
    • CommentAuthorJeff B
    • CommentTimeJan 11th 2023
     
    Posted By: revor
    Posted By: Jeff BI remember using Kepner Tregoe analysis


    I too have used Kepner Tregoe but that was in the context of problem solving production problems. I had not appreciated its possible use in decision making but on reflection the problem solving was a decision making process.
    One of the difficulties with a decision making process is firstly agreeing the boundaries of what is included which should be done at the beginning. Too often what is included in the consideration is not understood by those involved and discussion can go off on a tangent.


    Yes, me too (for solving production problems). However I also used it for selecting the applicant for a particular job because it was useful to have the logic behind choosing a particular candidate written down in case of any comeback. I agree the difficulty comes in the weighting of the "musts" and "wants" but nevertheless a useful tool I think because it forces you to think about the parameters involved.
    • CommentAuthorJonti
    • CommentTimeJan 11th 2023
     
    Posted By: Peter_in_Hungary
    Posted By: JontiAbsence of something is not proof of lack of desire. You also need to know why there is a lack of insulation otherwise it is not an informed opinion/decision.

    The reasoning for the decision is not part of the decision making process but rather as part of the post event analysis looking at why that particular decision was brought.

    To continue with the insulation theme - The lack of insulation is perhaps because those providing the insulation (or any other product or service) gain little or no advantage in providing anything other than the absolute minimum required and this fact would be one of the main drivers for the decision.


    Maybe I misunderstood but I thought the point was that the lack of insulation showed people in the properties did not think insulating was worth while. My point was the lack of insulation maybe down to another factor other than decision such as a lack of funding. Ergo, a lack of something is not necessarily a sign of a decision against said thing.
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    Posted By: JontiMaybe I misunderstood but I thought the point was that the lack of insulation showed people in the properties did not think insulating was worth while.

    My assumption was that the decision about insulation was one of a decision at build time by the builder. A decision at build time is very different to a decision by the occupier as a retro-fit with the additional expense, disruption and the inertia of the status quo.
    Each decision will have very different drivers but possibly (probably?) the same outcome..

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