Green Building Forum - New build 1.5 bungalow - best method of construction Tue, 19 Dec 2023 08:30:08 +0000 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.0.3 New build 1.5 bungalow - best method of construction http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302115#Comment_302115 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302115#Comment_302115 Fri, 23 Jun 2023 00:18:23 +0100 Victorianeco
A friend suggested why not just knock it down and rebuild new.

I've never been in a position to consider building new but having read up on it briefly regarding VAT reclaim etc and obviously the appeal of building our forever home is a dream.

A few questions:

Given the existing property and it's location I think a 1.5 bungalow would be okay for planning and would tick our boxes.

1. Would you build in timber or masonry nowadays?
2. If timber would you use a company such as scotframe? Or any other recommendations?
3. Any modern designs for Walter Segal builds?

Any pointers or tips would be appreciated particularly as we'd require a mortgage....]]>
New build 1.5 bungalow - best method of construction http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302116#Comment_302116 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302116#Comment_302116 Fri, 23 Jun 2023 06:07:53 +0100 tony
Velux windows can be noisy when it is raining,

Definitely demolish and rebuild - why not go for proper two storeys they do in my road

Good luck]]>
New build 1.5 bungalow - best method of construction http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302118#Comment_302118 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302118#Comment_302118 Fri, 23 Jun 2023 06:35:40 +0100 djh What you put on the outside depends on lots of factors such as planning, neighbourhood and personal preferences.

I don't know how you choose between stick build and e.g. SIPs or CLT or a full kit house (I'm thinking of some of the German firms where the whole thing is delivered fully finished). Cost, site access etc I suppose.

For me I'd look at designing and building to PH spec. If time and money permits then as Tony suggests you could try for something bigger and resubmit if it is refused.]]>
New build 1.5 bungalow - best method of construction http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302119#Comment_302119 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302119#Comment_302119 Fri, 23 Jun 2023 09:29:35 +0100 Nick Parsons New build 1.5 bungalow - best method of construction http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302120#Comment_302120 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302120#Comment_302120 Fri, 23 Jun 2023 09:30:05 +0100 WillInAberdeen
https://www.architecture.com/knowledge-and-resources/knowledge-landing-page/new-parliamentary-report-echoes-ribas-calls-for-action-on-embodied-carbon

Can you reuse the foundations and GF walls of your bungalow and put a taller roof on it with bedrooms in?]]>
New build 1.5 bungalow - best method of construction http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302121#Comment_302121 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302121#Comment_302121 Fri, 23 Jun 2023 11:36:15 +0100 cjard "Can you reuse the foundations"

No VAT reclaimable if you do. Don't even use a section of the existing foundations


"Can you reuse the foundations and GF walls of your bungalow"

VAT may not be reclaimable if you reuse the walls

Timber frame all the way for me, though I'd use a small local co, not some big name like Scotframe

Novel build approaches like ICF are wonderful and all, but try explaining how your house is built to a bank or insurance co when you want a normal mortgage to take over your cripplingly expensive self build mortgage, or explain how it would be rebuilt

Also, I know it's tempting to whack clever plans in that make max use of space to squeeze a 5 bedroom house in or whatever, but consider how your house will be rated for council tax purposes when complete. You'd be better off making it as normal and small (2 bed) appearing as possible for completion and assessment then extending into the loft void (because you deliberately didn't choose trusses, and you had the framing for veluxes put in but you roofed over it etc) or cellar, garage etc afterwards - council tax is only reassessed when a property is sold. Saving X hundreds every month for the rest of your life makes sense to me

You can only make a VAT claim once, so if you run short of cash and you're DIYing, try and get the materials in even if you haven't fitted them by the time the claim comes

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New build 1.5 bungalow - best method of construction http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302124#Comment_302124 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302124#Comment_302124 Fri, 23 Jun 2023 12:15:10 +0100 WillInAberdeen
"any pre-existing building is demolished completely to ground level (cellars, basements and the ‘slab’ at ground level may be retained)" - VAT Notice 708.

But obvs the saving gained from zero VAT by demolishing the extg walls/foundations, needs to be set against the cost/time/hassle/emissions of building a whole new set of walls/foundations. Need to do the sums for each particular project on cost and environment to see the balance, depending how much of extg is suitable to be retained in the desired layout. If the architect is registered for "RIBA 2030 Climate Challenge" they can access tools to do this quickly.

Also vat is now zero rate for insulating existing walls floors roofs, including scaff/finishes/etc. But not for replacement walls/roofs.]]>
New build 1.5 bungalow - best method of construction http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302127#Comment_302127 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302127#Comment_302127 Fri, 23 Jun 2023 19:36:01 +0100 cjard
I would say, though, weigh up carefully the costs of reusing old foundations and the limitations on your dreams they may impose versus crushing everything of the old house up for hardcore and starting over ..]]>
New build 1.5 bungalow - best method of construction http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302130#Comment_302130 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302130#Comment_302130 Fri, 23 Jun 2023 22:30:04 +0100 tony New build 1.5 bungalow - best method of construction http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302131#Comment_302131 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302131#Comment_302131 Sat, 24 Jun 2023 06:58:30 +0100 fostertom
This is news to me, that slab etc can be kept - thanks Will]]>
New build 1.5 bungalow - best method of construction http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302136#Comment_302136 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302136#Comment_302136 Sat, 24 Jun 2023 13:26:00 +0100 revor New build 1.5 bungalow - best method of construction http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302137#Comment_302137 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302137#Comment_302137 Sat, 24 Jun 2023 14:52:08 +0100 WillInAberdeen
Example here:
https://www.ribaj.com/intelligence/decarbonise-foundations-sustainability-climate-action-webb-yates

New conc slab + trench footings : 50 tonnes CO2 emissions
New slab + pad footings : 20 tonnes CO2
Screw piles + timber susp floor : 1.6 tonnes CO2

Using pre existing foundations which are already there : zero tonnes CO2 !

Comparison:

Insulating floor to U= 0 1 instead of to Building Regs : saves <1 tonne CO2 (lifetime direct electric heating)


Edit : an example from the same series: they took the roof off this bungalow, insulated the extg foundations and GF walls, built a new timber first floor, put the original roof tiles back on the top!
https://www.ribaj.com/intelligence/energy-efficiency-group-19-kiln-ride-bungalow-deep-retrofit]]>
New build 1.5 bungalow - best method of construction http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302138#Comment_302138 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302138#Comment_302138 Sat, 24 Jun 2023 20:40:43 +0100 djh Posted By: WillInAberdeenScrew piles + timber susp floor : 1.6 tonnes CO2I looked seriously at this option when we were building but there were two problems that I thought were better resolved by a passive slab:
(1) the difficulty of providing level access to the house when the bottom of the timber floor structure needs to be 150 mm above the ground and the floor itself would be 300-450 mm thick.
(2) the cost, even compared with digging a large hole & filling it with [recycled] hardcore before laying the passive slab

PS there's considerably less concrete in a passive slab than a raft on top of strip foundations

The bungalow conversion is also interesting as an example of converting from a bungalow to a full 2 storey house.]]>
New build 1.5 bungalow - best method of construction http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302141#Comment_302141 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302141#Comment_302141 Sun, 25 Jun 2023 07:03:05 +0100 Jonti Posted By: revorNew foundations are great if done properly. 36 homes built by Barratt in Cambridgeshire to be demolished due to inadequate foundations to withstand heave. Owners of houses already occupied very concerned (despite assurances) that their homes may be similarly affected. How could they get it so wrong? £800K a pop? 3rd party BC ?

The quality of build done by the big construction companies is shockingly bad. I have seen quite a lot of new builds in my area and have yet to find one where it meets BR in the loft. Missing or incorrectly spaced trusses though to no bracing. None of them met airtightness regs.

Building control is done on one property and if that passes it is 'assumed all the others will too. Its a shocking situation and I feel sorry for the hundreds of thousands of people who have bought over priced, sub standard houses in the last couple of decades.]]>
New build 1.5 bungalow - best method of construction http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302143#Comment_302143 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302143#Comment_302143 Sun, 25 Jun 2023 11:57:20 +0100 borpin New build 1.5 bungalow - best method of construction http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302149#Comment_302149 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302149#Comment_302149 Mon, 26 Jun 2023 09:50:01 +0100 Doubting_Thomas
If I was building again on a smaller budget (carbon and financial), I'd definitely consider just building with the Steico joists as they were relatively cheap and very strong. There's a compatible wood fibre insulation system where they fill the joist webs to get smooth sides and then you can insulate between joists with either more wood fibre or blown cellulose.

https://www.steico.com/en/solutions/new-construction/wall-construction

As others have said, you just need to get the timber up off the ground then so it stays dry.

If you're looking for companies to do it for you, then it's worth looking at Beattie Passive who offer a full design & build system to certified Passivhaus which works on a similar basis:
https://www.beattiepassive.com/our-system/technical/]]>
New build 1.5 bungalow - best method of construction http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302151#Comment_302151 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302151#Comment_302151 Mon, 26 Jun 2023 13:05:06 +0100 djh
Don't speak too soon ...

I just discovered a company that is making reduced emissions cement and has a plan to make zero-emission in future. They use an electrochemical process instead of a thermal one, which apparently runs below the boiling point of water. They currently produce about 100 tons a year but are planning to scale up ...

https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/02/09/1068083/climate-solution-cement/]]>
New build 1.5 bungalow - best method of construction http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302152#Comment_302152 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302152#Comment_302152 Mon, 26 Jun 2023 13:21:09 +0100 WillInAberdeen
But long before then, we will heat our timber homes with a little of that copious spare renewable electricity, and the carbon savings from the insulation will become nill!

So I don't think I spoke too soon - no need to delay building your house till 2050 :-)

Edit: and of course the electrolysis still releases the CO2 from limestone to make lime, they are relying on copious spare CCS capacity becoming available to deal with that. And the lime needs to be sintered together with the silcates at 1400⁰ to make cement, that will need copious spare green hydrogen fuel. Better allow another decade or two for those bits...!]]>
New build 1.5 bungalow - best method of construction http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302164#Comment_302164 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302164#Comment_302164 Tue, 27 Jun 2023 10:55:48 +0100 djh Posted By: WillInAberdeenEdit: and of course the electrolysis still releases the CO2 from limestone to make lime, they are relying on copious spare CCS capacity becoming available to deal with that. And the lime needs to be sintered together with the silcates at 1400⁰ to make cement, that will need copious spare green hydrogen fuel. Better allow another decade or two for those bits...!Well no. Sublime say that they specifically avoid both those problems.

But perhaps I should have added a smiley to indicate I wasn't too serious.]]>
New build 1.5 bungalow - best method of construction http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302172#Comment_302172 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302172#Comment_302172 Tue, 27 Jun 2023 14:35:40 +0100 WillInAberdeen
"we liberate the CO2 as a gaseous product to be captured and sequestered", and

"mix (electrolytic lime) with SiO2 to form [cement, by] heating for 2 h at 1,500 °C"

I did include the smiley! :-)

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1821673116

Actually, it's great that people are thinking about this stuff. Moore's Law says that anything new coming out of labs as of now is not going to scale up to gigatons in time to be the climate silver bullet, but might still be handy later.]]>
New build 1.5 bungalow - best method of construction http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302175#Comment_302175 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302175#Comment_302175 Tue, 27 Jun 2023 22:02:32 +0100 Victorianeco
Quite a lot of options when you look into self-builds and full development scenarios!

Interesting thought processes on 'best method' brought up here, some real food for thought. Ultimately, like most cost probably plays the biggest factor]]>
New build 1.5 bungalow - best method of construction http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302267#Comment_302267 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302267#Comment_302267 Tue, 04 Jul 2023 07:21:46 +0100 borpin https://www.baufritz.com/uk]]> New build 1.5 bungalow - best method of construction http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302297#Comment_302297 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302297#Comment_302297 Wed, 05 Jul 2023 07:30:14 +0100 Victorianeco
Impressive though]]>
New build 1.5 bungalow - best method of construction http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302318#Comment_302318 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302318#Comment_302318 Wed, 05 Jul 2023 20:36:27 +0100 djh https://www.psu.edu/news/research/story/new-glass-cuts-carbon-footprint-nearly-half-and-10x-more-damage-resistant/

Another one where they claim to have reduced the process temperatures. "LionGlass eliminates the use of carbon-containing batch materials and significantly lowers the melting temperature of glass.” And they also seem to be stating they are using something other than limestone and soda ash. So there is some good news around.]]>
New build 1.5 bungalow - best method of construction http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302319#Comment_302319 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302319#Comment_302319 Thu, 06 Jul 2023 10:48:58 +0100 WillInAberdeen
Better to hold off on any new buildings, until they can be glazed with transparent wood :-)

https://phys.org/news/2021-05-citrus-derivative-transparent-wood-percent.html

Above comment about Moore's law still applies!]]>
New build 1.5 bungalow - best method of construction http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302320#Comment_302320 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17875&Focus=302320#Comment_302320 Thu, 06 Jul 2023 12:03:05 +0100 djh https://phys.org/news/2021-05-citrus-derivative-transparent-wood-percent.html

Hmm, seems like it's difficult to buy; https://inventwood.com/transparent-wood/ is as close as I've found.
But if you're up for a bit of DIY you can make your own: https://www.instructables.com/Transparent-Wood/ :)

BTW, the LionGlass looks like just what the Wine Society are looking for to complete their net-zero plan.]]>