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    • CommentAuthorShevek
    • CommentTimeApr 1st 2013 edited
     
    What are the lowest output wood-burning/multi-fuel (low-smoke) stoves available in the UK?
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    The smallest ones I have seen are 4- 5 kW. I would suspect that the temperature required for efficient combustion and the need to load at convienient intervals make smaller stoves impractical and/or inefficient. Do you have a specific requirement ? The output of a stove is tested with manufactures conditions stated on the test report. I do not know the practicalities or efficiency drop if the stove is run at say 50% of rated value.

    Richard
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeApr 1st 2013
     
    An unlit one, cleanest too :wink:
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      CommentAuthorjoe90
    • CommentTimeApr 1st 2013
     
    I can recomend "stovesonline.co.uk" The chap who runs it is also on this forum and his website is very informative and if you contact them for advice they are very helpfull.

    Are you in a smokeless zone?, if so they list stoves that meet this requirement and some stoves have a conversion kit to comply.
    • CommentAuthorShevek
    • CommentTimeApr 1st 2013 edited
     
    Thanks guys. We are in a smokeless zone and it wouldn't be so much for heating as for the romance to be honest. I suspect even the lowest output will be too much but my co-owners are very keen and, having grown up with an (open) fire myself, I'm not exactly adverse to the idea either. It's primordial I think.
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      CommentAuthorjoe90
    • CommentTimeApr 1st 2013
     
    Shevek, I agree with you. Viking House has stated on other threads that he has had customers insist on wood burning stoves in his Passive houses but mostly not used and some consider them to be a cold radiator. I, like you, want a small stove and think it is nicer to look at than the TV most of the time. Also even passive houses need some heat when it very cold outside and what is more welcoming than a real fire (even if you have to leave doors open to dissapate the heat). This is also a reason I am a fan of thermal mass, run the stove for a time and heat the mass to keep you warm afterwards. Also, UFH is no good for chesnuts at Christmas:bigsmile:
    • CommentAuthorarnyj
    • CommentTimeApr 1st 2013
     
    We have a Chelsea 2 door. I think it was made by Villager in the Somerset area of UK.

    I think It was 4.8kw at that time below the starting figure for needing an air vent. a few months later they started to make pipes that came up adjacient to stove thus saving the entire room from freezing which the old type of vent did.

    Arny
    • CommentAuthorcullym
    • CommentTimeApr 1st 2013
     
    @Shevek have you considered using a bioethanol stove/fireplace. They can be quite cheap on a well known auction site. Output is quite low, a few kW, no chimney needed and no clean up :-) I'm considering one for my renovation.
    • CommentAuthorfinny
    • CommentTimeApr 1st 2013
     
    morso 1412 every time.. unless you want a small masonry stove like Joe...
    • CommentAuthorShevek
    • CommentTimeApr 1st 2013
     
    Posted By: cullym@Shevek have you considered using a bioethanol stove/fireplace. They can be quite cheap on a well known auction site. Output is quite low, a few kW, no chimney needed and no clean up :-) I'm considering one for my renovation.

    Wow, yeah, that's an interesting thought. Do they need an air supply?

    I wonder if it could go into the fire place when we're installing Ventive ventilation to the chimney too. I think it probably could.
    • CommentAuthorGaryB
    • CommentTimeApr 1st 2013
     
    All combustion sources require sufficient ventilation to prevent formation of carbon monoxide.

    The Ventive minimum ventilation rate or its free area may be enough - check with the bioethanol stove technical data.
    • CommentAuthorcullym
    • CommentTimeApr 1st 2013
     
    @Shevek the byproduct from combustion is water vapour and carbon dioxide so you will need some ventilation. As GaryB has suggested the min ventilation rate of the Ventive may be enough. In my case I'll have a supply from the MVHR in the room which I think should be sufficent (something I still need to verify).
    • CommentAuthorShevek
    • CommentTimeApr 1st 2013
     
    Thanks guys. What about fuel costs, how do they compare with wood, etc. (in London, say)
    • CommentAuthorcullym
    • CommentTimeApr 1st 2013
     
    @Shevek the bioethanal can be bought in bulk for about €1.50 to €2.00 per litre. I think the rate of consumption will depend on the actual stove/fireplace but one FAQ I have bookmarked says:

    "Each litre burns for 4 hours on maximum setting, however most of the burners are adjustable and the burning time can be increased to 6 hours if the settings are reduced."

    I'm still researching these, one thing that concerns me is safety both in terms of storing fuel and also the design of some of the fireplaces.
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    This article published today highlights the point that size is important !
    Chimney fires most commonly result from four basic causes – having the wrong sized wood burner installed, infrequent sweeping and cleaning, burning of unseasoned wood, or overnight burning or smouldering of wood for long periods in wood burners."

    Read more: http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/Chimney-Lincoln-home-sparks-warning/story-18596598-detail/story.html#ixzz2PQLNM2n6
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    http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/Chimney-Lincoln-home-sparks-warning/story-18596598-detail/story.html#axzz2PO0V14fR
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    Looking at a Rika Vitra Passivhaus 2-4kw wood burner for our near passive spec build, lowest one I could find.
    Apart from mega priced ones from Tonwerk.
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    montyfellrunner

    that rika vitra passivhaus looks nice - but i cant find a price for it online. do you know how much it costs?
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    I'm going for a bioethanol burner also.

    When you look at the combined costs of installing a flue and a room sealed stove the figures are crazy £5,000-£10,000.

    Add in the issues with cold bridging caused by both the flue and the air supply and you have to ask yourself why are you spending a large lump of money to give yourself more problems for something that is going to be lit on a handful of winter Sunday afternoons?

    From what I have read a bioethanol burner puts out a similar amount of CO as about 4 large candles.

    Will be fitting a CO alarm in any case.
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    @calvinmiddle

    It's €2,000 + shipping from Germany.

    http://www.tesgmbh.com/modules/wsShop/article.php?article_id=357844&location_id=51&cat_id=54388
    • CommentAuthormatt-2052
    • CommentTimeApr 6th 2013
     
    Burley stoves do efficient woodburners in 3kw (88.9% efficient), 4kw (89.8)or 5kw (89.1). I fitted a 5KW at my parents and its a very good stove. I did some haggling over the price and saved over £100 off the RRP (paid £710 last November-inc delivery)
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