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    • CommentAuthorRex
    • CommentTimeDec 24th 2022
     
    Compliments of the season to one and all,

    The slab of my house is one-piece, poured concrete with rebar reinforcing. The garage floor is the original poured concrete surface.

    When I park the car having been driving in the rain, inevitably, pools of water accumulate around the wheels, and of course, do get absorbed into the concrete.

    To date, there is no evidence of the rebar rusting but is there anything I should be doing to prevent it rusting? Or after 12 years, is it already too late?

    Thanks and toodle pip
    • CommentAuthorMike1
    • CommentTimeDec 24th 2022
     
    Posted By: RexCompliments of the season to one and all,
    To date, there is no evidence of the rebar rusting but is there anything I should be doing to prevent it rusting? Or after 12 years, is it already too late?
    Travel back in time and use epoxy-coated / galvanized / stainless steel rebar in the slab?

    Apart from that, there's not much to be done. But provided the bar had adequate cover and you're not in a particularly corrosive environment (e.g. sea-spray), the it should be good for a long time.
  1.  
    Concrete is very alkaline and that protects the steel from rusting, there are plenty of reinforced concrete structures 100years old or more.

    It doesn't like sulphides or chlorides much, but as you are not spreading rock salt on it, then no problems! The concrete wartime sea defences are still intact on the beach near here, despite the salt.
    • CommentAuthorRex
    • CommentTimeDec 24th 2022
     
    Thanks for the reassurance; living in Surrey so don't think sea slat is a problem.
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeDec 24th 2022
     
    I think where the salt runs off wet wheels it will soak into and accumulate in the concrete - I would park on small matts to prevent or reduce this problem. It is not something to worry about though,
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeDec 25th 2022 edited
     
    Generally, reinf conc is a 'last forever' material. It was only a period in the 50s/60s/70s where various clever chemical additives were invented, to improve the pouring and setting performance of readymix, that concrete cancer became a thing, appearing decades later. These were not universally used, so most conc should be all right. The test is - has yours got conc cancer or not?!
    • CommentAuthorCoverley
    • CommentTimeDec 25th 2022
     
    Your indoor garage floor is going to have a very sheltered life with next to no potential for corrosion. There are millions of domestic garage floors in use every day without any precautions. There really is nothing to concern you.

    Mind you a decent garage floor paint (ideally 2 part epoxy) is a good idea to make it easier to clean, it also reduces dust and dirt getting into the house if you have an internal door to your house.

    ----

    More generally - Structures exposed to the weather do just fine with 50mm of cover. Internal concrete usually has 35mm cover but that's more about having enough space for the aggregate to get past the reinforcement when the concrete is poured.

    Corrosion of reinforcement can occur most commonly due to inadequate cover in an area of high weathering. Other factors include excessive chlorides (ie salt) or carbonation (ie atmospheric indutrial pollution). These require very high levels such as a sea spray, motorway, or heavy industry.

    IMHO "Concrete cancer" is specific to alkali–aggregate reaction which is caused by impurities in the aggregates that resulting crumbly concrete. Wiki has a good page explaining the chemistry of the most common version called alkali silica reaction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alkali%E2%80%93silica_reaction
    • CommentAuthorRex
    • CommentTimeDec 27th 2022
     
    Thanks for the thoughts; I do have a mat for the front wheels as they seem to drip more water that the rears.

    When the concrete has dried out, I will get some mats for the rears.
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    The problem with mats is that if water gets under the mat it can take ages to dry out so putting a mat down is likely to keep the concrete wetter for longer.
    • CommentAuthorrevor
    • CommentTimeDec 28th 2022
     
    I have inherited a large garage inherited from a previous owner of our place, built in 1986 and was used as an agricultural building, it is not showing any signs of corrosion. You should not ideally put a wet vehicle in a garage as it can cause premature rusting of the vehicle as the environment remains humid and vehicle does not dry out properly. Anything else stored in there tends to remain damp. As an aside the other day looking for a channel that appealed I watched an American off grid build in Colorado and they used a plastic reinforcing bar. Nor very eco might have been recycled though?
    • CommentAuthorCoverley
    • CommentTimeDec 28th 2022
     
    I used off cuts of vinyl flooring under each car wheels to stop hot tyre pickup. This is when hot car tyres would stick to the concrete and pick up a bit of the surface each time. Trivial amounts and only cosmetic but you could see a worn patch when the garage was empty.

    The mats do also catch drips of dirty water from the wheel arches in winter which makes things a bit cleaner.
    • CommentAuthorcjard
    • CommentTimeDec 29th 2022
     
    Coverlay already mentioned it, but the answer would seem quite simple:

    Paint the floor
    • CommentAuthorcjard
    • CommentTimeDec 29th 2022
     
    @revor "the environment remains humid and vehicle does not dry out properly"

    Ventilate the garage?
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