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Energy Assessment: The Golden Rule

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    • CommentTimeFeb 3rd 2013
     
    Posted By: SteamyTeaIs there a mechanism for 'key meters' and what if the landlord gets the work done for them?


    If someone has a pre-payment meter then they have to enter in to a separate credit arrangement to pay their electricity supplier for the GD repayments alone. Same applies to anyone who is off-grid.

    Landlords and tenants have to mutually agree to the work before they can enter in to a Green Deal. The tenants make the repayments.

    Anyone considered a really poor credit risk (e.g. if they are already in arrears in paying their electricity bill) will not be eligible for the Green Deal.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeFeb 3rd 2013
     
    Thanks
    Has implications for new tenants. More things to rant about to You and Yours :wink:
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      CommentAuthorted
    • CommentTimeFeb 3rd 2013 edited
     
    Nick, were you asking about results for CERT and CESP the other day? (I have literally lost the thread).

    OFGEM have released a sparse report on it here: http://www.ofgem.gov.uk/Media/FactSheets/Documents1/CERT%20and%20CESP%20factsheet_web.pdf

    305 million CFL bulbs given away to households. Great - of the 50 or so that I was given over the years precisely zero are still being used as I switched to LEDs. The CFLs were probably not in use for long enough to offset the carbon used in their manufacture.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeFeb 3rd 2013
     
    Yes I was, was just interested in how much was really saved for the investment, but like most of these things there was probably not any preliminary data and none after the installation.

    I never got sent any bulbs. Bought some in Ikea 8 years ago, the 20W ones (with some lampshades). Have only replaced then in the last year or so to 8W ones in each fitting. Found the 8Watters give enough light, are whiter and do not need any heating up. The old Ikea ones are now in the outside light at work.

    I never got sent an energy monitor either, if anyone has, or knows of any CurrentCost ones that are unloved or unused, I will take them off your hands as I can use them on my energy monitoring project.

    Having said that my energy company have given me nothing, I do find the EDF standard tarrif very competitive.
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      CommentAuthorted
    • CommentTimeFeb 3rd 2013
     
    The report shows a CERT target - in a measure of tonnes of CO2 saved - and the results in a set of different measures (number of loft and CWIs, number of CFLs) - which suggests to me that they don't want anyone to try to make any direct comparisons.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeFeb 3rd 2013
     
    Probably because it is not creating real savings.

    Was a bit in the Sunday Times today about not using the GD but claiming on other schemes that are still running.
    • CommentAuthorSaint
    • CommentTimeFeb 3rd 2013
     
    Ofgem administered EEC and CERT (and CESP). The audited figures are there on their website.
    Here's an example http://www.ofgem.gov.uk/Sustainability/Environment/EnergyEff/Documents1/CERT%202011%20annual%20report_V1.pdf
    You need to look at something like their Carbon Savings Matrix to get a feel for the savings from the different measures.
    Most of the CERT funding stopped on December 12th almost 3 weeks before the planned date.
    GD didn't kick in until last week, there was no transition period granted, that's why someone in another post, can't remember who, saw one major national installer's yard full of vans
    • CommentAuthorSaint
    • CommentTimeFeb 3rd 2013 edited
     
    Posted By: ted
    Anyone considered a really poor credit risk (e.g. if they are already in arrears in paying their electricity bill) will not be eligible for the Green Deal

    These people and in general those on lower incomes and in vulnerable households will be eligible for ECO funding under the "Affordable Warmth" target. ECO will also be used to fund SWI installations which GD cannot fully cover
    • CommentAuthorarnyj
    • CommentTimeFeb 3rd 2013
     
    I'm still using CFL's mainly because of cost of replaceing them. Last year I bought some GU10 fittings which came with 50W bulbs the guy selling them whom, I used to work with and therefore trusted said to buy some 9w replacement bulbs which I did. Have fitted 2 GU10 units.the 9W work like the original CFL's take ages to give out a decient light as for buying LEDs the more I read the more confused I am And as my money is obviously tighter than a lot of you. I'm reluctant to waste it.

    Ted, what did you do with the CFL's you no longer needed ?

    How long would it take for CFL bulbs in use to offset the carbon used in their manufacture.

    Arny
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      CommentAuthorted
    • CommentTimeFeb 3rd 2013
     
    Some of them will be but not necessarily all of them. ECO funding is capped as previously discussed on another thread.
    • CommentAuthorSaint
    • CommentTimeFeb 3rd 2013
     
    ECO will be split into 3 sections
    CERO: Carbon Emissions Reduction Obligation. Supporting principally SWI and hard to treat cavity wall insulation. Due to the costs of these measures GD needs support to achieve the Golden Rule The pot for this is £760 million p.a.
    CSCO: Carbon Savings Community Obligation. Supporting insulation and heating measures across low income poorer communities. The pot for this is £190 million p.a.
    HHCRO: Home Heating Cost Reduction Obligation. Replaces the Warm Front, CESP and Fuel Poverty initiatives. Referred to as the Affordable Warmth component. Heating, insulation and energy saving measures not necessarily tied with the GD for vulnerable households, low income etc. The pot for this is £350 million p.a.

    The pot for the last two obligations totals £540 million and is aimed at treating 230,000 households..
    All in all ECO will chip in £1.3 billion p.a. which I think is about the same as CERT? Maybe a little more?
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      CommentAuthorted
    • CommentTimeFeb 3rd 2013
     
    Saint, for anyone who lives in the wrong part of the country covered by CSCO, doesn't need the SWI or CWI covered by CERO and falls outside the means tested limits of HHCRO then the ECO will be of no use. The CERT was £1.9 billion a year so ECO represents a £600 million reduction.

    Arny, my CFLs were replaced with LEDs as they died, which seemed to happen all too soon.
    • CommentAuthorjms452
    • CommentTimeFeb 4th 2013
     
    Posted By: arnyjHow long would it take for CFL bulbs in use to offset the carbon used in their manufacture.


    This site recons 50 hours when compared to an incandescent.
    http://www.thewatt.com/?q=node/175

    From an EROEI perspective I imagine that changing CFL for LED is likely to be marginal at best - Stick with Ted's suggestion...

    Posted By: tedCFLs were replaced with LEDs as they died
    • CommentAuthorSaint
    • CommentTimeFeb 4th 2013 edited
     
    Posted By: tedThe CERT was £1.9 billion a year so ECO represents a £600 million reduction


    Ted, no CERT was estimated at £2.8 billion for the 3 years 2008-11 which was a huge increase on EEC for the 3 preceeding years. Not sure what was spent in the extension 2011-2012 but doubt if it was much greater pro rata. ECO is bigger p.a. than CERT
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    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2013
     
    Well the DECC document I remember reading about a year ago covering it seems to have disappeared in their website reorganisation. I may still have a copy on my old laptop. I'll have a look for it.
    • CommentAuthorjamesingram
    • CommentTimeFeb 6th 2013 edited
     
    heard GD intial cashback incentive can be claimed even if you dont take the loan structure ( ie pay up front )
    "There's £125m of cashback to get the scheme going. Speed pays as the first tranche will get the highest cashback - £300 on boiler upgrades & double glazing, £600 on solid wall insulation. Cashback's paid even if you don't take the loan and pay upfront."
    http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/utilities/green-deal?utm_source=MSE_Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_term=05-Feb-13&utm_campaign=utilities&utm_content=103#6
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeFeb 6th 2013
     
    It is on You and Yours right now. Greg Barker answered nothing.
    • CommentAuthorjms452
    • CommentTimeFeb 6th 2013
     
    superhomes and solid wall insulation got a mention which is the first time I have heard either mentioned (except possibly DIY SOS a year or so ago)...
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeFeb 6th 2013
     
    MoneyBox had a bit about it today as well. I did call them up about my fears of selling on the debt, but was driving when the show came on so coudl not talk to them.

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