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Politics: EU:- in or out?

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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeJun 1st 2017
     
    I have a feeling that this is the only thread to have comments on it today.

    Is this forum now closed?
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    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: djh</cite>Bot, do you have any other independent articles confirming what that one says? I can't find any record of Boris Johnson making such a statement, nor do I imagine the British government will be doing much of anything in the next few days and in particular I doubt it will be signing anything on 8 June - the day of our election.</blockquote>

    I found lots of links to Johnsons making these statements over a European army HQ in Brussels,here are just a few. Over the next couple of years the EU army will be introduced.

    http://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-uk-wont-stand-in-way-of-eu-defence-co-operation-10879025
    Boris Johnson has denied claims Britain is seeking to block closer EU military co-operation despite reports of a row.
    The Foreign Secretary insisted the UK is "not going to stand in their way" as EU member states prepared to discuss moves to enhance the bloc's collaboration on defence.


    http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/804722/European-Union-Boris-Johnson-Britain-EU-army-military-headquarters
    We won't stand in their way' Boris says Britain won't block EU plan for own military HQ
    BORIS Johnson this morning indicated that Britain will not seek to block Brussels’ plans to establish its own military headquarters despite the Government’s previous resistance to the idea of an EU army.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4506930/UK-not-stand-way-closer-EU-defence-links-says-Boris-Johnson.html
    Britain will NOT stand in the way of a military headquarters for the EU, says Boris Johnson as he urges the bloc to spend more on defence

    http://zeenews.india.com/world/boris-johnson-plays-differences-with-eu-over-military-ambitions-2005429.html
    Boris Johnson plays differences with EU over military ambitions
    "If they want to come together... with other arrangements, then we don`t want to stand in their way. We just (need to) work on the language to make sure that we get it totally right," he said.
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    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: SteamyTea</cite>I have a feeling that this is the only thread to have comments on it today.

    Is this forum now closed?</blockquote>

    Everyone is more occupied with the vastly more important issue of how Trump misspells a word on Twitter.
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeJun 2nd 2017
     
    Posted By: SteamyTeaI have a feeling that this is the only thread to have comments on it today.

    Is this forum now closed?



    I guess everything has a shelf life, or maybe they are all busy and totally gripped with election fever.:wink::bigsmile:
    • CommentAuthorskyewright
    • CommentTimeJun 2nd 2017 edited
     
    Posted By: SteamyTeaI have a feeling that this is the only thread to have comments on it today.
    Is this forum now closed?

    Or maybe the weather is favourable & all the do-ers are out do-ing (& the thinkers are out surfing/climbing/gardening/insert activity of your choice)? :surfing:
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    Posted By: skyewrightinsert activity of your choice)?
    Up at 4.30 am, drove landy with team and launched and then recovered 18 person ballon, on to client for pool clean and lawn cut, onto another client to finish painting a room, now it is 4pm and I am off to bed because have to do ballooning again tomorrow - all good pocket money, should have enough for another room any time soon.
    • CommentAuthorgyrogear
    • CommentTimeJun 2nd 2017 edited
     
    Posted By: skyewrightinsert activity of your choice


    got up at 7:00 to feed animals
    made O-H breakfast in bed
    ate four weetabix
    opened gate for arriving electrician
    made some coffee and kipped on the sofa until electrician started punching big holes in garage structure
    fired up PC and saw no activity on GBF
    cleaned up work dir on c:\
    took electrician a bottle of water (it's hot out here, Mam...)
    faffed around until electrician called me down
    underwent New Garage Door training
    electrician left
    ate lunch (sausages and beer)
    spent 2 hrs doing New Catflap Training to bemused felines
    took mail to post-office
    did Euromillions on way home
    looked on GBF to see immense activity on current thread
    now sitting in front of (switched-off) TV, waiting for draw time
    wrote first page of future novel (to be entitled, "The Sad Life of an Has-Been Expat")

    gg
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeJun 3rd 2017 edited
     
    Are we playing Top Trumps?

    Listened to Shipping Forecast (05:20)
    Did load of washing, as it was not going to rain, see above (or should it be sea above) (06:10)
    Went into town to count empty shops (don't ask, it's an Economics things) (09:00)
    Went for coffee and illegal downloading (10:00)
    Went for walk in the woods and did 3/4 of my 10,000 steps, then coffee 12:40)
    Now at home cooking lunch (14:40)

    Later I shall go and cook for the poor and needy of Cornwall (actually the fat and greedy), but I get paid for that so it does not count.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeJun 3rd 2017
     
    That's 2 coffees before lunch - and I bet a few while cooking. Speedy Gonzales! I know I've had too much too regularly i.e. one every breakfast, when I get withdrawal symptoms.
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    Posted By: Gotanewlifelandy

    I got one er dem :cool:
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    Posted By: skyewrightinsert activity of your choice)?

    Up 6.30, check weather forecast for hay making - back to bed til 7.30 !
    breakfast
    take a couple of phone calls re cow and her calf for sale
    Check GBF and emails
    move entire herd to pastures new
    mend electric fence destroyed by stag whilst eating grazing destined for my cows
    lunch
    tractor maintenance (much overdue)
    Tea and strawberries with expat friends on the verandah
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeJun 4th 2017
     
    So "EU:- in or out?" has an acute meaning, viewed from the verandah?
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    Posted By: fostertomSo "EU:- in or out?" has an acute meaning, viewed from the verandah?

    Too right, especially with the inability of most of the EU (UK included) being incapable of controlling immigration/migration and I don't see brexit solving this (e.g.non EU migration today) And of course the terrorist issues are getting worse and the UK is happy to leave all the EU crime prevention infrastructure and walk away to do their own thing (Mrs Mays insistance that she is prepared to walk away without a deal)
    • CommentAuthorMike1
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2017
     
    Well I guess if the DUP deal goes through, the mythical Ă‚ÂŁ350m 'saving' will be spent in Northern Ireland, rather than the NHS.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2017
     
    Not a bad idea, pending a Lab govt soon enough.
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    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: djh</cite>Bot, do you have any other independent articles confirming what that one says? I can't find any record of Boris Johnson making such a statement, nor do I imagine the British government will be doing much of anything in the next few days and in particular I doubt it will be signing anything on 8 June - the day of our election.</blockquote>

    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: Ed Davies</cite><blockquote><cite>Posted By: bot de paille</cite>Wow this is interesting. I wonder what percentage voted in the referendum with out this knowledge.</blockquote>Since you refuse to cite a source we can reasonably come to the conclusion that you're bullshitting, can't we?
    </blockquote>

    Oh look, further intergration towards a federal superstate and the creation of an EU Army
    https://www.rte.ie/amp/1024688/

    "Chancellor Angela Merkel has said that a new Franco-German friendship treaty was a step toward the creation of a future joint European army.

    Ms Merkel said the pact aims to build a Franco-German "common military culture" and "contributes to the creation of a European army".

    President Emmanuel Macron and Chancellor Merkel signed the deal, which pledges deeper economic and defence ties as well as commitment to the EU, in the German city of Aachen."
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    And the 27th of May 2016, 1 month before the referendum vote UK mainsstream media telling referendum voters that the idea of an EU army being created is pure fantasy

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/27/is-there-a-secret-plan-to-create-an-eu-army

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    But, contrary to reports, it will not propose an EU army. “There is absolutely no plan to set up an EU army with the global strategy,” a spokeswoman for Mogherini said."

    "Nick Witney, a former chief executive of the European Defence Agency, said no one took the idea of an EU army seriously."

    "Paddy Ashdown is also sceptical. The former Liberal Democrat leader, who led the EU’s mission in Bosnia, said the idea of an EU army was “nonsense” and “for the birds”.
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    shake it all about !
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeJan 23rd 2019 edited
     
    Three choices

    a) don't have armies

    b) if you have to have armies, make them as effective as possible - scale, coordination

    c) if you don't trust your 'allies', to throw in your lot with them, then Brexit in every way.
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    How about honest and open transparency with voters about what your intentions are...?
    • CommentAuthorDarylP
    • CommentTimeJan 24th 2019
     
    ...wrong country.....:shamed:
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeJan 24th 2019
     
    A Franco German Army,..... mmm..... what command and control language to use,.... English?? Non... Nein. Inside or outside of NATO?..... Will Berlin have a finger on France's Nuclear arsenal ?... oops!
    Despite all that, it could still happen. :sad:
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeJan 24th 2019
     
    That's a shoot-self-in-foot thought. Why not a Franco-German-British army - which wd certainly use English and would have two nuclear buttons therefore some control protocol hammered out.
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    AFAIK any European army would need the agreement of all members of the EU and could not be mandated by Brussels. A majority vote would not do it! And I can't see any country giving up its control of its nuclear arsenal. Oh and there is also Germanys historical baggage that would preclude anything other than defense and peace keeping.

    Inside or outside NATO? Probably alongside.

    Command and control language I suspect would be English. There are 'war games' already taking place in Hungary with joint services and from talking to the participants English seems to be the common language (as it is in commerce) and I don't see Brexit changing this - for either activity.

    From a personal view point, my great uncle was an officer in the Belgian army in the 14-18 war. His role was important as he spoke both French and Flemish at a time when the 'officer class' was French speaking and the 'other ranks' spoke Flemish. He told of significant problems with command and control without a common language, at times costing lives, so a common language would be essential and English is already probably the most common language (as a second / third language) in the EU
    • CommentAuthorbarney
    • CommentTimeJan 24th 2019
     
    LoL - a Franco-German army, Putin pointing the 3rd Shock army down the Fulda Gap - Trump pulling out armour left right and centre, Mutti crying on the phone to Whitehall, PMTM sipping G&T in Chequers murmuring, "Not my Circus, not my Monkeys"

    What could possibly go wrong

    Regards

    Barney
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeJan 24th 2019
     
    My Goodness fostertom, you are overly sensitive, I was being facetious, flippant. Never mind; that humour fell on deaf ears.
    Command and control in NATO is English hence your Hungarian military exercise analogy. As a bi-lateral Franco German arrangement, which is, for the moment what is being talked about, there may be no such requirement although common sense would most likely dictate it is.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeJan 24th 2019
     
    How do we build a green bomb shelter? No concrete, no steel. What thickness of oak and sheeps wool would we need?
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    This the creation of a EU army, not just a bi lateral agreement.
    Germany runs the EU, the rest of the members will follow.

    But apparently when the UK population voted, an EU army was nonsense conspiracy talk
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeJan 24th 2019
     
    " This the creation of a EU army, not just a bi lateral agreement."

    Bot; It looks as if it's being wrapped up like that at the moment,- rightly or wrongly, but I guess it's another step towards a Superstate. Flag, Anthem, Army, Airline, isn't that the way it goes. :wink:
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeJan 24th 2019
     
    Posted By: owlmanfostertom, you are overly sensitive, I was being facetious, flippant
    Glad to hear it but there's a v large contingent who would say that and be deadly serious. Hard to tell.

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