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    • CommentAuthorandyman99
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2023 edited
     
    Currently in the throws of buying an EV. I'm also an Octopus/Bulb customer, not quite sure where in the changeover process we are but I'm assuming I can transfer to one of their EV favourable tariffs at some point. Looking at their EV specific website:

    https://octopus.typeform.com/EVchargers?utm_source=OEVpage&_ga=2.13028276.2048100522.1674226008-504967900.1674226008&typeform-source=octopusev.com

    They have 3 different charger options:

    Ohme Home Pro
    Wallbox Pulsar Max
    MyEnegyZappi II

    Anybody known the pros and cons of these different chargers? I don't have any Solar capability atm but I'm considering this and so would want to ensure good PV integration was available if possible.

    Thanks

    Andy
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2023
     
    I have an Ohme Go that I bought via an Octopus discount. It works well enough for my use - limit charging to the E7 cheap rate, but only integrates with a few makes of car (it doesn't need to integrate for my needs, which is just as well because although it theoretically can integrate it doesn't in practice - the car manufacturer is most likely at fault IMHO. Ohme customer support is very helpful). No idea about the other chargers.

    Not sure about PV integration. I think cars have minimum current requirements and probably wouldn't like being stopped and started repeatedly so it might be tricky. Just guessing.
    • CommentAuthorandyman99
    • CommentTimeJan 21st 2023
     
    Thanks for the response. I had been concentrating on integration with supplier thinking choosing an Octopus recommended charger might be the way to go. I hadn't really considered the car side of things. We are considering a Mini Electric so I'll also research the owners forums today.
    • CommentAuthorrevor
    • CommentTimeJan 21st 2023
     
    I will be in the market hopefully sometime this year and from the research have done so far the zappi would be my choice. It can integrate with solar pv and other devices they do e.g. divert excess solar to immersion heater. Don't know much about the other 2 you mention.
    • CommentAuthorphiledge
    • CommentTimeJan 21st 2023
     
    Posted By: djhNot sure about PV integration. I think cars have minimum current requirements and probably wouldn't like being stopped and started repeatedly so it might be tricky. Just guessing.


    As I understand things they will/can use all of your PV for charging if its available and supplement it from the grid if PV drops off so you dont get the intermittancy of PV on its own. We've got a broken Solaredge EV charger as part of one of our PV inverters and I'm sure that its pretty configurable as to how and when it charges.
    • CommentAuthorjms452
    • CommentTimeJan 22nd 2023
     
    The Zappi can solar charge when you are generating more than a kW of solar and throttle up/down on/off in a smart way.

    However if you commute and drive more than a few miles a day you might be surprised just how much juice an EV needs. My better half's 60 mile round trip commute was 15kWh which is over two hours on a 7kW charger every night. It's pretty hard to make a dent in that from solar.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeJan 22nd 2023
     
    Posted By: jms45260 mile round trip commute was 15kWh
    That's pretty good efficiency :bigsmile:
    • CommentAuthorborpin
    • CommentTimeJan 24th 2023
     
    Check out OEM https://openenergymonitor.org. They do a version of the Open charger and also monitoring software.
    • CommentAuthorbogal2
    • CommentTimeJan 24th 2023
     
    Ive just put in a Zappi. I ran the cables and got an electrician to connect it at either end. It dosent need an earth rod unlike some other chargers. I really like how the app records all your PV generation, home and EV imports from the grid. Really useful for working out which energy tariff to go for.
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    I'm waiting for the price of bidirectional EV chargers to come down. They include an inverter and the G99 gubbins as well as the usual EV charging bits, but the early models still cost an awful lot more than equivalent solar inverters or home-battery inverters.

    For people who need solar inverters as well as bidirectional EV charging, maybe it would be neat if a single inverter could do both functions, and that might also simplify the conversation with the DNO. IE the EV and the solar both stay on the DC side of the inverter, though at different voltages. With a single AC connection via the consumer unit to/from grid, with whatever current limit is required on that.
    • CommentAuthorandyman99
    • CommentTimeJan 25th 2023 edited
     
    Posted By: bogal2Ive just put in a Zappi. I ran the cables and got an electrician to connect it at either end. It dosent need an earth rod unlike some other chargers...


    This is what I’d like to do and how I re-wired this house but my “compliant” electrician hasn’t got into this area yet. I’m happy to run cables through the loft, but it’s not something I’d really want anyone else doing and probably not something they’d want to do. Did you cable to the consumer unit or meter box and w hat cable did you use?
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeJan 25th 2023
     
    Posted By: WillInAberdeenFor people who need solar inverters as well as bidirectional EV charging, maybe it would be neat if a single inverter could do both functions, and that might also simplify the conversation with the DNO. IE the EV and the solar both stay on the DC side of the inverter, though at different voltages. With a single AC connection via the consumer unit to/from grid, with whatever current limit is required on that.
    I wonder what proportion of people happen to have their solar and their EV charging conveniently placed so this might make sense?
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    I wonder what proportion of people use wires, to connect equipment in different parts of their homes, back to a common location?

    Pretty much 100%, I guess, whether the wires are AC or DC! :bigsmile:
    • CommentAuthorandyman99
    • CommentTimeJan 27th 2023
     
    Just some feedback on my experience. I tried a couple of local contacts, but they were either too busy or not local enough to be immediately interested. Then I tried the myenergi/Zappi website to request a quote. Surprisingly there was a very fast response with one installer phoning me to discuss the installation and 2 installer offering quotes. They are happy for me to run cabling, either the integrated power conductors + cat5e (expensive) or a standard 6mm cable and separate ethernet cable. I chose a screened cat6 cable to be on the safe side.
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