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    • CommentAuthorGarethC
    • CommentTimeOct 23rd 2023
     
    Is Keith OK? Don't see any posts less than nearly a couple of years old from him!
    • CommentAuthorJeff B
    • CommentTimeOct 23rd 2023
     
    I don't have any trouble using the GBF but I realise there are some frustrating limitations. Like djh I would not be happy to have to create a Google or Facebook account to access it. I would have to bow out if that became the case.
    • CommentAuthorMike1
    • CommentTimeOct 26th 2023 edited
     
    FWIW I've used Pale Moon - https://www.palemoon.org/ - as my main browser for several years and have never had any problems with the Forum. It's a hard fork of Firefox and they don't (and won't) discriminate between http & https sites. Well worth a try.

    You'll still need a mainstream backup browser, though, for the sites that implement Google's latest stupidities.
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    I've just tried a couple of times on Chrome to create a new topic and have received an warning that the site wasn't secure, and when I tried to continue anyway I was then told I wasn't signed in (which I definitely had done prior to creating the new topic) and lost my post.
    • CommentAuthorGreenPaddy
    • CommentTimeOct 29th 2023
     
    suspect this is the begining of the end of GBF, if many existing members, and likely new memebers can't sign in. Shame
    • CommentAuthorRobinB
    • CommentTimeOct 30th 2023
     
    I have the same issues on Chrome, but as long as we use passwords that we don't use anywhere else I don't really see an issue. I would be sad to see this forum fade away. It has been a fantastic resource for over a decade and I'm so grateful to everyone who takes time to share knowledge and experiences here. Nothing on social media comes close in terms of politeness, patience, expertise and good humour. (and yes I have just had to log in again to post this)
    • CommentAuthorGarethC
    • CommentTimeOct 30th 2023
     
    The interesting thing is that GBF manages this without moderators as far as I can tell?!
    • CommentAuthorJeff B
    • CommentTimeOct 30th 2023
     
    For some reason I never have trouble signing in to the GBF. I am not a "techy" person by any means even the TV remote has me baffled on occasion! If it is of any help to others, I can tell you that I use a fairly old Dell Inspiron 560 desktop PC with Windows 10 Home Edition and Firefox 119.0 (32 bit). I see there is an option in Firefox to upgrade all connections to HTTPS - would this be useful for other GBF users to try if insecure website messages are the problem?
    • CommentAuthorJeff B
    • CommentTimeOct 30th 2023
     
    Posted By: GarethCIs Keith OK? Don't see any posts less than nearly a couple of years old from him!


    I thought he is in charge of the GBF, if "in charge" is the correct terminology. Maybe he is unaware of the problem if he has stopped using the GBF?
    • CommentAuthorJeff B
    • CommentTimeOct 30th 2023
     
    I just looked up this link: www.greenbuildingpress.co.uk/support.php

    and there is the following message on there:

    ATTENTION: WE ARE EXPERIENCING TEMPORARY ACCESS ISSUES WITH OUR GREEN BUILDING FORUM. PLEASE USE THIS LINK UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE: GREEN BUILDING FORUM

    The words GREEN BUILDING FORUM are in blue/underlined and provides a link to the GBF. Maybe try this if you are having problems and see if you can get in that way.
    • CommentAuthorborpin
    • CommentTimeOct 31st 2023
     
    Posted By: GarethCThe interesting thing is that GBF manages this without moderators as far as I can tell?!
    I think this is largely because of the small fee to sign up (not sure if it is still there). Bots and Trolls simply will not pay and anyone willing to pay is usually willing to behave. There has been the odd spat over the years :(

    Sort of validates Musk's theory for X - small annual fee might improve it significantly.
    • CommentAuthorborpin
    • CommentTimeOct 31st 2023
     
    Posted By: Jeff BI just looked up this link: www.greenbuildingpress.co.uk/support.php

    and there is the following message on there:
    I think that message has been there for years...



    Posted By: GreenPaddysuspect this is the begining of the end of GBF, if many existing members, and likely new memebers can't sign in. Shame
    I'd second that and without any means of contacting Keith, little can be done to continue it in any form.
    • CommentAuthorJeff B
    • CommentTimeOct 31st 2023 edited
     
    Borpin - oh, ok, I didn't know that.

    I would definitely miss the forum if it disappeared. Such a useful place for exchange of ideas and advice and always very civilised!
    • CommentAuthorRobinB
    • CommentTimeNov 1st 2023
     
    I just realised I'm unable to start a new discussion, (about the cost and desirability of earthen floor for kitchen) even though I am signed in. To add to this thread, I'm being automatically signed out and then have to sign in again to post - but this doesn't work to start a new thread. Anyone else have this problem?

    "Some problems were encountered
    You cannot take part in the discussions because you are not signed in.
    You do not have permission to start discussions.
    You cannot take part in the discussions because you are not signed in."
    • CommentAuthorGarethC
    • CommentTimeNov 1st 2023
     
    There's a contact telephone number on the associated FB page. I'd ring in case it got me through to Keith, but not sure what if say. If he was amenable, do we have collective skills and motivation/enthusiasm to migrate the forum?
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeNov 1st 2023
     
    Posted By: RobinBI just realised I'm unable to start a new discussion, (about the cost and desirability of earthen floor for kitchen) even though I am signed in. To add to this thread, I'm being automatically signed out and then have to sign in again to post - but this doesn't work to start a new thread. Anyone else have this problem?
    FWIW I just started a new discussion for you ... I had no problem and neither do I have problems commenting here. So it seems the problem can be avoided with a different browser and/or settings.
    • CommentAuthorMike1
    • CommentTimeNov 1st 2023
     
    Posted By: GarethCdo we have collective skills and motivation/enthusiasm to migrate the forum?
    I would imagine so. Though in my case it would be the new year before I would have the time.

    Previous discussions on upgrading the forum, for interest:

    http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=16677
    http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17633

    As mentioned in one of those, at some point the web host will to stop supporting the version of PHP that the forum requires, for security reasons. I think that's version 5.2, which reached its end-of-life on 6 January 2011.
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    I can't stay logged in; can't start threads; can't use the quote button; can't add attachments or smileys; can't receive whispered comments; can't edit comments. The last is the biggie for me.


    The vast majority of web traffic is now https, so AIUI the villains are having to switch focus onto the few remaining unsecured sites still using http. The idea is to serve you a page that looks identical to GBF, but with malware hidden in the links or attachments, which would do a lot worse damage than just nicking your GBF password.

    The GBF pages that we download over https, still contain hidden http links to:

    w3.org
    getvanilla.com
    surfing-waves.com
    newbuilder.co.uk (now defunct)
    lussumo.com (now a gambling website in the Philippines AFAICT)
    greenbuildingpress.co.uk


    The mainstream browsers are trying to get the remaining http sites to switch over to https, although acting at different speeds:

    "HTTPS-Only Mode is the future of web browsing!" says Firefox
    https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2020/11/17/firefox-83-introduces-https-only-mode/

    Chrome and Edge
    https://blog.chromium.org/2023/08/towards-https-by-default.html?m=1

    As DJH put it, if a website is only accessible to people using a certain browser, most other people just won't use that website.


    Thanks for the kind words on the previous page: I certainly wouldn't leave GBF by choice, but AFAICT I've been kicked out :-( . Hoping that something changes soon.

    I've been working on my own local copies of the main GBF pages to try fixing this, but not had much time or success.
    • CommentAuthorGarethC
    • CommentTimeNov 1st 2023
     
    Does anyone know whether Keith is OK? Ad mentioned before, can't find any interactions from him that aren't from quite a while ago.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeNov 1st 2023
     
    The site's domain was renewed at the end of July, so somebody is paying some attention. The hosting seems to be a responsible organization, so will no doubt help with any necessary migrations if required.
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    Have e-mailed Keith, but no reply as yet. I definitely do not have any of the skills re 'migration', but would probably (subject to work commitments at the time) be prepared to join a management group.

    Nick
    • CommentAuthorGarethC
    • CommentTimeNov 2nd 2023
     
    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: djh</cite>The site's domain was renewed at the end of July, so somebody is paying some attention. The hosting seems to be a responsible organization, so will no doubt help with any necessary migrations if required.</blockquote>

    Although if it's like mine it's on auto renew.
    • CommentAuthorlineweight
    • CommentTimeNov 3rd 2023 edited
     
    I did this thread about a year ago:

    http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17633&page=1

    Feels to me like the place is doomed unfortunately, which is a great shame.

    Is it worth identifying alternative forums that would be places to move discussions to, if the GBF goes under at some point.

    I sometimes post on buildhub which has a section aimed at "green" building

    https://forum.buildhub.org.uk/forum/14-environmental-alternative-green-building-methods/
    • CommentAuthorJonti
    • CommentTimeNov 3rd 2023
     
    I really don't have a problem with the site. It might not have all the 'bells & whistles' of some others but it is perfectly adequate.

    Apart from those with login on problems it seems a bit of a storm in a tea cup to me but if it is such a problem then maybe someone might volunteer to help out.
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