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    • CommentAuthorjimshall
    • CommentTimeDec 26th 2010
     
    We thought the outhouse workshop renovation we've been doing was going to meet the building standards but a new bldg. standards officer has informed us that the openings should not exceed 25% of the floor area (ours is 35%). The previous officer (left his job) did not mention this requirement at all. The new officer advised we could offset the extra openings by bettering the U-value standards for the walls, floor & roof and by blocking up some of the openings we have put in. Furthermore he has imposed lower U-values than the previous officer. The outhouse is just attached at its corner to our house and is going to be used as a workshop but it has been classified an an 'anciliary building' and as such must meet the same standards as a dwelling. I don't want to block up any windows but that seems to be the only option. Has anybody got any ideas/experience with the Scottish regs. that can point a way forward? What if we just press on and not get the certificate? I gather there are a lot of people renovationg outhouses round here who don't bother applying for a building warrant.
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeDec 26th 2010 edited
     
    I'm not familiar with the scottish regs but in England there are several ways to meet them. First is to use standard U-Values for walls and windows and keep the area of windows and doors to 25%. Other ways to show compliance exist. For example you can put extra insulation in the walls, ceiling or floor to compensate for extra glass (eg your 35%). There is no requirement to stick to 25% glass if you know what you are doing.

    It's not trivial to calculate how much extra insulation you need in the walls to compensate for extra glazing. Basically you need to work out the area weighted average U-Value for the whole extension and show that it's at least as good as a similar building that uses the standard u-Values and only 25% glass. I suggest you work the numbers for both cases to see how far adrift you are.

    If you can't install more wall insulation it might be possible to put in more floor or ceiling insulation or better sealed units in the windows instead to get the area weighted average down.
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    Not sure if this will help, but the Scottish Build Regs changes 1st Oct 2010. Might be the source of some of your difficulties. A summary is here: http://www.55northarchitecture.com/?p=85

    As CWatters noted, you can either meet the minimum u-values or do a calc to prove your building is a better standard overall than the building reg 'notional' building.

    It is worth noting that contrast to England, it is an offence to start a building project, that will require a building warrant, without obtaining a warrant. It also makes getting one later, if you need it, much tricker!

    Cheers
    matt
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeDec 28th 2010
     
    Posted By: jimshall I gather there are a lot of people renovationg outhouses round here who don't bother applying for a building warrant.


    Can make it harder to sell your house if the surveyor/buyer asks to see the warrant.
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeDec 28th 2010
     
    I never advocate trying to hit minimum standards --- always aim higher!!!
    • CommentAuthoraa44
    • CommentTimeDec 28th 2010
     
    Just to clarify, have you got the warrant or has the application yet to go in? If the previous guy issued the warrant then I would have thought that you were OK. If not, then you will have to meet the new regs (http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Topics/Built-Environment/Building/Building-standards). If you do it without a warrant then I would assume that you just store up trouble for when you come to sell.
    • CommentAuthorqeipl
    • CommentTimeDec 30th 2010
     
    As I understand it we no longer have Building Regs in Scotland, we have Building Standards, which are summarised in the Technical Handbooks (Domestic and Non-domestic).
    Building standards officers have some leeway in how they interpret the standards.
    Maintaining a civil relationship with your BSO is essential if you're trying to do anything that stretches the limits of the standards.
    Where I live we are blessed with a senior BSO who combines rigour with common sense and can usually find a way to help you solve a problem while meeting the standards, but he's a rarity.

    Solving your problem is a matter of doing the sums to your man's satisfaction.
    If you can't do the calcs yourself there are firms that specialise in SAP rating calcs. A friend of mine does a lot of new build design and he uses a specialist for the warrant SAP calcs. Costs a couple of hundred pounds per house.
    They'll be able to tell you how to meet the standards without losing windows.
    It'll probably involve losing some internal space to insulation.

    I just googled 'sap ratings scotland' and got a healthy choice of firms.
    • CommentAuthorjimshall
    • CommentTimeDec 30th 2010
     
    Thanks for the advice. I have put together a proposal with fully detailed calculations to show that I can meet the maximum permitted heat loss by applying thicker insulation to the walls and roof. Hopefully our new building standards officer will approve them. It will cost a lot of money for the extra PU insulation and only save a few Watts per Kelvin but its better than blocking up a door. Probably the payback time in terms of heating cost and CO2 emissions will be ridiculous.

    The previous building standards officer I was dealing with told me he was happy for me to get on with the building work last summer even though he had not issued the warrant. He required only minor ammendments to my drawings/plans in the application. That officer had taken months to deal with my application and at the end of the summer had still not replied to my final ammenments. I then found he had left his job and I was transferred to a new officer who is very helpful but more rigorous.

    The legality of improving your home seems to be difficult to ascertain. Does anybody know have a link to reliable and coherent information on what work is notifiable in Scotland?

    Neither our house nor the outbuilding I am restoring have a building warrant so I don't see the problem in improving them without a warrant. If we wanted to sell there wouldn't be a warrant anyway. The outbuilding was used as a backsmith's workshop many years ago and we are still going to use it as a workshop , albeit as an art studio, yet we have to meet building standards that are the same as a dwelling. We could have put up a conservatory with all glass that would be losing far more heat than the renovation I am doing, which makes a nonsense of the 25% rule. Also if the workshop could be considered as part of the dwelling then I would be well within the 25% rule ( the building meet at one corner) though the house would not meet the standards....
    • CommentAuthorneilu
    • CommentTimeDec 31st 2010
     
    I thought that building regulations and building standards are set down in 'statute' (or whatever the phrase is).
    ie if works are carried out that fall under the remit of these standards then it is against the law not to comply with them or obtain approval.
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeJan 1st 2011
     
    http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Topics/Built-Environment/Building/Building-standards/homeinfo/faq

    In particular this has a section on "Works that don't require a warrant".. In general most extensions other than conservatories are likely to need a warrant...

    http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Resource/Doc/217736/0105338.pdf
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeJan 1st 2011 edited
     
    Posted By: jimshall We could have put up a conservatory with all glass that would be losing far more heat than the renovation I am doing, which makes a nonsense of the 25% rule.


    Perhaps you missunderstand the regulations? In England (and perhaps also Scotland) there are clear definitions on what constitutes a conservatory so in theory it's not a nonsense. For one thing you aren't allowed to knock through between say a kitchen and conservatory. That would mean the conservatory had to comply with the insulation requirements (eg the 25% guide). There are also rules on how the conservatory is heated - you can't simply extend the house system by putting an extra rad in there.
  2.  
    jimshall,

    you've done the right thing in showing that your building's heat loss is less than / equal to the "notional 25% building" heat loss. I have an extesion which was 47% openings to floor area, and submitted 2 little spreadsheets showing ...floor/walls/ceiling/ windows/doors.....the Uvalues fo each of these...and the related heat loss. The total heat loss was less than the "notional", the Warrant was approved - no problems.

    GreenPaddy
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2011
     
    It's worth noting that above a certain percentage of glazing/openings no amount of extra insulation in the walls/floor or roof will get the heat loss below that of the notional 25% building. I'll leave it to you to work out what that percentage is.
    • CommentAuthorjimshall
    • CommentTimeJan 5th 2011
     
    The only thing I'd like to add is a warning to forum users based upon my experience with this matter is not to rely entirely upon the building standards officer giving accurate feedback on whether your plans meeting the regulations (and then act upon the advice). I have done this, having submitted detailed drawings and gone ahead with doing some of the renovation work without a warrant, based on verbal feedback and advice from an officer who was being helpful and no doubt acting in good faith. There will be many keen non-building professionals like myself who cannot afford to hand over a project to an architect and builder/s and who need to do some or all of the work/designs themselves. Also I'd like to express my gratitude to the participants and initiators of this forum.
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeJan 5th 2011
     
    It's a lesson hard-learnt that verbal re-assurances from council officials are as reliable as verbal contracts. The stories of different approaches by different council officials are legion.

    Quite a few years ago my son was renovating a Listed terraced house neighbouring the Neen Valley Railway and asked the Conservation Officer (as they were then called) if he could put in double glazing in the new windows to the front. She replied that she had no objection as long she couldn't see the "silver foil". I made up a dummy window section with a d/g unit with white spacer in a deeper glazing rebate and she said it was fine and to go ahead. I made the four windows and delivered them with the 24 units. My son wanted to restore the chimney which had been removed by the previous owners and called the CO in to review his plans. A male official arrived and asked what the double-glazed units were for. "The new windows. The previous Conservation Officer OK'd them."

    "Where's the letter?"

    The units were split and I made up spacers to allow the single glazing!
  3.  
    As I was taught the day I started work in a planning consultancy, when it comes to local authorities "it isn't rocket science but if it is important write it down". Words have stuck with me since!
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeFeb 12th 2011 edited
     
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