Tue, 19 Dec 2023 05:35:20 +0000 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.0.3 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11731&Focus=195825#Comment_195825 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11731&Focus=195825#Comment_195825 Mon, 10 Feb 2014 14:17:38 +0000 Triassic
So having read the BRE guide to SAP I was wondering where I can get a copy of the spreadsheet?

The BRE SAP web page appears to link to private companies, but not the software or a spreadsheet!]]> http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11731&Focus=195832#Comment_195832 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11731&Focus=195832#Comment_195832 Mon, 10 Feb 2014 14:44:44 +0000 DarylP
The SAP doc is available foc: http://www.bre.co.uk/sap2009/page.jsp?id=1642

However, most approved s/w is available to licensed Assessors, but at a cost.
STROMA may still allow you download their FSAP2009 foc?

But I should point out it is complicated, and can catch out the unwary....

Good luck]]> http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11731&Focus=195845#Comment_195845 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11731&Focus=195845#Comment_195845 Mon, 10 Feb 2014 16:49:02 +0000 Triassic
Shall have to re-think how I double check the architects SAP calculation, I have a feeling that default values and guestimates may have been used in places - rubbish in, rubbish out!!

The other problem I have is that the proposed new build is L shaped, with one wing being 1.5 story and the other being 2.5 story (lower ground floor being an open fronted basement), both linked by the entrance hall/stairs. So not straight forward.]]> http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11731&Focus=195852#Comment_195852 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11731&Focus=195852#Comment_195852 Mon, 10 Feb 2014 18:10:12 +0000 stones
http://www.rusfa.com/

There is a free download which lets you enter figures and see where you come out - useful to let you play with variables before committing to getting the actual SAP report done. I think there are other free / trial available. This one was certainly pretty straightforward to use.]]> http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11731&Focus=195859#Comment_195859 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11731&Focus=195859#Comment_195859 Mon, 10 Feb 2014 18:52:44 +0000 Triassic Posted By: stonesuseful to let you play with variables before committing to getting the actual SAP report This is the sort of thing I'm looking for. Thanks.]]> http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11731&Focus=195862#Comment_195862 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11731&Focus=195862#Comment_195862 Mon, 10 Feb 2014 19:03:20 +0000 neilu If he is then a sample of his EPC's will get audited so he should know what he is doing.
However that doesn't mean he is using default values where he could be using detailed data.
If he can't produce the EPC at the end of the job then him carrying out the SAP is a waste of time.

Is there any way you can upload the SAP printout with his details blanked out so as not to get the forum into trouble?
That way you might get a few qualified assessors, eg me, having a quick look through it.]]> http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11731&Focus=195863#Comment_195863 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11731&Focus=195863#Comment_195863 Mon, 10 Feb 2014 19:19:11 +0000 Triassic Posted By: neiluI presume your architect is a fully registered SAP assessor She tells me they farm this work out, so I'll be digging a little deeper tomorrow to find out the level of service I can expect. I really want to optimise my build using the right materials, level of insulation,etc to get the best for my money.]]> http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11731&Focus=195867#Comment_195867 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11731&Focus=195867#Comment_195867 Mon, 10 Feb 2014 19:34:21 +0000 neilu If they farm them out then you would expect them to use someone who regularly does SAP's so you'd like to think the assessor has done a 'proper 'job.

The main item to look out for to see if they've taken short cuts is thermal bridging, this should be fully calculated rather than using the poor default value of 0.15.
If they haven't used the default 0.15 and used a better (lower) value then chances are they aren't taking short cuts as this is calculation is a pain to do on complicated houses.]]> http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11731&Focus=195908#Comment_195908 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11731&Focus=195908#Comment_195908 Tue, 11 Feb 2014 13:47:41 +0000 Sigaldry
The better the information provided to an assessor, the better the outputs will be - goes for design stage assessment and the updated as built one.]]> http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11731&Focus=197191#Comment_197191 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11731&Focus=197191#Comment_197191 Thu, 27 Feb 2014 17:14:57 +0000 Triassic http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11731&Focus=197193#Comment_197193 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11731&Focus=197193#Comment_197193 Thu, 27 Feb 2014 17:32:08 +0000 Simon Still
Might be worth getting a copy of]]> http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11731&Focus=197195#Comment_197195 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11731&Focus=197195#Comment_197195 Thu, 27 Feb 2014 17:34:48 +0000 joe90
Can you confirm which issue/month that was in as I fancy a read.Ta]]> http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11731&Focus=197199#Comment_197199 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11731&Focus=197199#Comment_197199 Thu, 27 Feb 2014 19:07:48 +0000 Simon Still http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11731&Focus=197203#Comment_197203 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11731&Focus=197203#Comment_197203 Thu, 27 Feb 2014 19:51:08 +0000 Triassic Posted By: Simon StillMarch and April issues.Thanks, I'll get both issues and have a good read.]]> http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11731&Focus=197252#Comment_197252 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11731&Focus=197252#Comment_197252 Fri, 28 Feb 2014 11:00:14 +0000 Simon Still http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11731&Focus=197262#Comment_197262 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11731&Focus=197262#Comment_197262 Fri, 28 Feb 2014 13:13:49 +0000 Triassic
What does the SAP assessment achieve? From what I've read the original intent was watered down significantly and I'm left wondering is anything in the planning system that has not been watered down to suit big business!]]> http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11731&Focus=197273#Comment_197273 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11731&Focus=197273#Comment_197273 Fri, 28 Feb 2014 15:51:10 +0000 Sigaldry
New regulations have a deemed to be compliant package that also serves as a good level to pitch compliance from.

From extensive SAP modelling, those levels are about right under SAP2012 - and seeing as L1A 2013 is only 6% better than L1A 2010, the levels aren't significantly out from current levels.

You need to get design assessments done before you start work on site anyway and it's a good idea to get a competent assessor involved from the outset imho.

You could try and get an assessor to use STROMA's free to download software if you want and request copies of the files used for design assessments so you can 'have a play'.]]>