Tue, 19 Dec 2023 08:56:24 +0000 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.0.3 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=48&Focus=447#Comment_447 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=48&Focus=447#Comment_447 Wed, 14 Feb 2007 08:19:24 +0000 Katymac
I am assuming
Water Connection £1,000.00
Drainage £9,000.00
Electrics £7,500.00
Heating £10,000.00
Kitchen & bathroom £4,000.00
Landscaping
Car Parking 600sqm 25sqm -£8,000.00
Paths 50 sqm £1,500.00
Play area 180 sqm
Fencing @ £30 approx 125 linear m £4,000.00
Total £13,500.00 £13,500.00

Grand Total £45,000.00


Then either the money to pull down the barn & use the base (don't know how much that would be?) or the cost of the concrete base - which would be more expensive?]]> http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=48&Focus=448#Comment_448 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=48&Focus=448#Comment_448 Wed, 14 Feb 2007 08:26:48 +0000 Katymac House Kit
Delivery
Planning
27.76 m² roof boards., d = 22mm
0.448 m³ Timber (KVH-Si)
6.29 m³ Timber
343.69 m² logs Spruce
192.9 m² floor boards 28 x 121mm
321 m Timber for the floor 45 x 145mm
Doors and Windows
5 St single window, 1-flg., 0.882/1.058, Wood frame
8 St double window, 2-flg., 1.45/1.058, Wood frame
4 St double door, 2-flg., 1.58/2.05, Wood frame
11 St single door inside 0.88 x 2.08
Shingles
roofing paper 333er
bitumin shingles, rectangle formed
glue
Rain Gutters
Floor Insulation
damp protection
Insulation 60mm WLG 040
Roof Insulation
laths 18x80
boards, tongue & groove, 12.5 x 96mm
damp protection
Insulation WLG 040]]> http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=48&Focus=449#Comment_449 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=48&Focus=449#Comment_449 Wed, 14 Feb 2007 08:34:17 +0000 Katymac http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=48&Focus=453#Comment_453 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=48&Focus=453#Comment_453 Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:25:35 +0000 Tuna
I'm still not sure why you have to do complete landscaping to start the business - as long as there is an area to park cars, I'm sure people will survive if it's a little rough and muddy, and you are budgeting for fencing the entire plot and providing a full play area when you could consider providing 'just enough' for the first year and expanding later. Quite a few people have asked you about phasing your plans and I'm not sure you've really given the idea enough thought.

Perhaps you could start off by working out what the smallest nursery facilities you could work with would be - the fewest children, smallest play area, least facilities and so on. If you can find that out and still calculate a useable profit each year for expansion, you can put in place a long term business plan to aim for your end-goal.]]> http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=48&Focus=454#Comment_454 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=48&Focus=454#Comment_454 Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:41:08 +0000 Katymac
I could do the parking less substantially - however planning & building regs demand the turning circle for deliveries and emergency vehicles

The parking is mesh over grass so that would mean it would just be grass or maybe just the barley field it is atm

The fencing is important to keeping the children in more than anything else - OFSTED insist that they are completely enclosed, I have dumped the playarea surfacing and am just looking at grass (with the surfacing to be added later - if I can afford it)

My "to do later" list atm includes
Solar hot water
Rainwater harvesting
More eco heating??if I go for oil to start with
Play area surfacing
Proper parking
Nicer fencing (eg willow)
If I go with the barn conversion finishing the internal walls will come later along with window blinds, outside shading & internal windows (ie I will make the hole and put glass in when I can afford)

OFSTED are so picky about stuff it makes it difficult to consider the alternatives
They wouldn't let unfinished building works anywhere the children could get to, so that would mean more fencing

So if I kept the barn - I would need to put in a concrete slab, if I went down the cabin line

I'm seeing an advisor next week to discuss my options - to see where I have made errors]]> http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=48&Focus=456#Comment_456 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=48&Focus=456#Comment_456 Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:58:34 +0000 Nick Parsons
"As the main space is open plan - I can't really only renovate part of it - as appealing as that is I'd like to do the offcies/kitchen/staffroom & toilets at a later stage - but they are all required in order to open"

Could the offices/kitchen/staffroom & toilets be in a portacabin in the short term?]]> http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=48&Focus=457#Comment_457 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=48&Focus=457#Comment_457 Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:10:58 +0000 Katymac
Staff need to be on the premises for insurance (ie not in another building)
Kitchen & offices could (I guess) - but as my big costs are roofing, insulation & flooring I don't think that would help

Let me think about it

There was an idea to only develop half the barn (ie 10m by 10m) & use the rest as an undercover play area
- but the roof would still need replacing and the building would look really odd with only half being expernally insulated

Also by the time the loos/kitchen/staffroom & adult loos are in (ignoring the office/reception etc) there would only be enough room for about 20 children and that number doesn't split up (by age range) into effective staffing numbers (that sounds really complicated but here goes

1 adult :3 under 1
1 adult :4 2-3yo
1 adult to 8 3-5

So 3 under 1 plus 4 2-3yo plus 8 3-5 yo is 15 children any more means more adults

BUT each area needs 2 adults so I have to employ
2 for the under 1's (therefore 6)
2 for the 2-3yo's (therefore 8)
2 for the 3-5yo's (therefore 16)

Giving my 30 children - this is for child protection issues that are apparently so important

If I cut my size I either employ staff to look after no children (not cost effective) or exclude an age range (not ideal)

I'm not being intentionally awkward btw

It's the only business in the country where you have to set up, employ your staff & only then find out whether or not you will get a license to open]]> http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=48&Focus=458#Comment_458 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=48&Focus=458#Comment_458 Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:11:32 +0000 Katymac http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=48&Focus=461#Comment_461 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=48&Focus=461#Comment_461 Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:00:24 +0000 Tuna
I think I'm right in saying you've never run a business or been the boss of a number of staff? If so, I would suggest you try to take small steps first. Being in charge of six people who depend on you utterly for their income, as well as trying to bring in paying customers, solve teething problems and run a nursery from day to day will be extremely stressful. Breaking the big problem into little steps will help you get there with much less stress and risk. Opening a nursery with a full set of staff and a big overdraft will make your initial cash flow very, very difficult, so starting small might not only help you deal with your costs, but also help you avoid running out of cash in the first year.]]> http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=48&Focus=462#Comment_462 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=48&Focus=462#Comment_462 Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:19:04 +0000 Katymac
For the 3-5's I would need kitchen, office (as they need the most paperwork) staff room and toilets plus around 40 sqm of space

I guess it is possible - but I don't see how it reduces my costs much

The roof/insulation/heating etc are all still needed - I save on some floor covering (which I may or may not be able to match when I expand) & I guess maybe some windows& doors
Hmm I'll have a think]]> http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=48&Focus=466#Comment_466 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=48&Focus=466#Comment_466 Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:36:14 +0000 Tuna http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=48&Focus=469#Comment_469 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=48&Focus=469#Comment_469 Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:52:33 +0000 Nick Parsons http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=48&Focus=470#Comment_470 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=48&Focus=470#Comment_470 Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:09:24 +0000 Katymac
Last quote I had was for £85K (second hand)...mind you that was for the whole area

I'd have to work it out.....hmmm]]> http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=48&Focus=483#Comment_483 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=48&Focus=483#Comment_483 Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:36:15 +0000 skier-hughes They have plumbing for kitchen and toilet. If you look round you can get one with two toilets, so male/female if that is a must.
Change a bedroom to an office, maybe even have another bedroom as a First Aid room?

Most caravan sites throw vans off at 10 years old, so at that point they drop from having a value to being a pain in the neck as they have to pay to have them removed.

I wouldn't worry about matching floor covering at a later date, you just buy something that is different and looks like it was supposed to be different.

I've not covered your whole story to get to this point and when I first read nursery and barn I was thinking gardening and wondered why you wanted a play area for kids!!!!!

I've had several very succesful business, currently I run 5 seperate ones, although they are mainly inerlinked, so if you wish to run anything by me feel free.]]> http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=48&Focus=487#Comment_487 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=48&Focus=487#Comment_487 Fri, 16 Feb 2007 18:21:20 +0000 Katymac http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=48&Focus=547#Comment_547 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=48&Focus=547#Comment_547 Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:26:02 +0000 Tuna http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=48&Focus=568#Comment_568 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=48&Focus=568#Comment_568 Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:48:33 +0000 skier-hughes
I'd take a trip around the craravan sites now, as this is when a lot of updating is done, you might even find that it is cheaper for them to allow you to pay for the cost of moving it and they just give it to you, if they are updating, as most sites won't take a 12+ van in exchange for new.

Cost of moving is not cheap, but nowhere near £85k ]]> http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=48&Focus=1786#Comment_1786 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=48&Focus=1786#Comment_1786 Mon, 02 Apr 2007 09:41:35 +0100 Guest http://www.freewebs.com/rasputinscotland/
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