Green Building Forum - Green Hydrogen Plant Tue, 19 Dec 2023 08:17:37 +0000 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.0.3 Green Hydrogen Plant http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18004&Focus=303970#Comment_303970 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18004&Focus=303970#Comment_303970 Sat, 21 Oct 2023 09:10:17 +0100 bogal2 Green Hydrogen Plant http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18004&Focus=303971#Comment_303971 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18004&Focus=303971#Comment_303971 Sat, 21 Oct 2023 09:30:23 +0100 philedge
Like you I struggle to see that they'll be much of a surplus of renewable electricity in the years to come. As I understand things we're only managing 30-35% renewable now if you take the unsustainable biomass out of the figures.]]> Green Hydrogen Plant http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18004&Focus=303972#Comment_303972 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18004&Focus=303972#Comment_303972 Sat, 21 Oct 2023 09:32:04 +0100 philedge Green Hydrogen Plant http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18004&Focus=303974#Comment_303974 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18004&Focus=303974#Comment_303974 Sat, 21 Oct 2023 10:33:03 +0100 bogal2 Green Hydrogen Plant http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18004&Focus=303976#Comment_303976 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18004&Focus=303976#Comment_303976 Sat, 21 Oct 2023 14:29:13 +0100 tony Green Hydrogen Plant http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18004&Focus=303978#Comment_303978 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18004&Focus=303978#Comment_303978 Sat, 21 Oct 2023 14:47:16 +0100 djh https://cheshireandwarrington.com/latest-news/new-consortium-announces-initial-100mw-green-hydrogen-portfolio/

Encirc appears to be shuffling the deckchairs to make things look better as the ship sinks. Are there any local groups opposed to the plan?]]> Green Hydrogen Plant http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18004&Focus=303985#Comment_303985 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18004&Focus=303985#Comment_303985 Sat, 21 Oct 2023 20:23:50 +0100 philedge Green Hydrogen Plant http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18004&Focus=303990#Comment_303990 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18004&Focus=303990#Comment_303990 Sun, 22 Oct 2023 07:36:16 +0100 Dominic Cooney My friend Allister Malcolm now has his studio on the site of the old factory, and is now using an electric furnace.
The glass industry is one place where some gas will still need to used (torches/hot flames are needed for some operations) but it’s use should be minimised and not wasted on frivolous consumerist crap. It’s criminal that we do not have glass packaging re-use in this country - that is a massive waste of energy and materials because most of it is basically single use glass packaging.]]> Green Hydrogen Plant http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18004&Focus=303991#Comment_303991 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18004&Focus=303991#Comment_303991 Sun, 22 Oct 2023 09:29:15 +0100 bogal2 Green Hydrogen Plant http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18004&Focus=303993#Comment_303993 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18004&Focus=303993#Comment_303993 Sun, 22 Oct 2023 11:05:02 +0100 djh https://www.thewinesociety.com/498b35/globalassets/pdfs/sustainability/the-wine-societys-alternative-packaging-for-wine-report.pdf]]> Green Hydrogen Plant http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18004&Focus=304003#Comment_304003 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18004&Focus=304003#Comment_304003 Mon, 23 Oct 2023 09:34:43 +0100 fostertom Posted By: bogal2this plant will displace renewable electricity use elsewhere causing more gas turbines to fire up to make electricity at 35% efficiency which would have been better used to heat the glass furnaces
Posted By: philedgeI struggle to see that they'll be much of a surplus of renewable electricity in the years to come. As I understand things we're only managing 30-35% renewable now

Posted By: Dominic CooneyThe glass furnace should be electric anyway for future proofing
That's right Dominic. The renewable electricty scene is moving at incredible speed and we shouldn't fall for delaying-tactics talking-points, such as the 'displacement' concept, that seemed credible only a few years ago. We should be pressing for electrification of everything as fast as possible, even if the supply side wil take an amazingly few years to catch up. And the glass industry's heat requirement (lots of energy, but only moderate temperatures) would majke it one of the low-hanging fruits.

And yes, re-use of glassware unmelted is a scandalous piece of vision that's missing at national policy level.

'Build Beyond Zero', as mentioned in
http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17979
is the new book everyone should get - a revelation and practical source-book, recasting and updating our ideas of what the task of Green Building should now be. Buildings not merely nett-zero, but as active carbon-drawdown machines.

If 'in use' energy is by now a 'known' science and practice (even if pathetically un-adopted), the focus shifts to the newer science of embodied energy (esp the manufacturing industries, such as glass), as it's where greatest carbon draw-down/sequestration can happen, has the most up-front immediate climate impact, and has the longest-term effect on the total impact of a building's lifetime.]]>