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Products: 'Green' Electricity supplier LoCO2 says no CO2

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    Aren't the renewable production targets of generators set by HMG ?
    and none oft he big producers achieve them, or has things changed in the last few years ?
    • CommentAuthorwookey
    • CommentTimeOct 26th 2011
     
    Is there actually a mechanism which means that when Good Energy sell some RE power, the amount of RE power available for other suppliers to sell is actually reduced? I haven't understood how it works in detail to be sure on this point. It's quite important to this discussion.

    It would be interesting if a supplier would offer a genuine 'Low CO2' rate which included both RE and Nuclear power. Currently you can't vote with your pocket to support 'any low CO2 supply'. I see that the 'LowCO2' option this thread started with inlcudes CHP (arguably OK, maybe, just about..) and CCGT (definately pushing the envelope to be called 'low Carbon').

    I bought the only flat-rate supply I could find (Ebico). I think flat rates are important for encouraging low usage. I'd certainly favour a flat, low CO2 rate, but I don't think there are any? We only spend about £200/yr anyway so it's not going to make that much difference (and then get £1000-odd back again for FiTs).
    • CommentAuthorGavin_A
    • CommentTimeOct 26th 2011
     
    Posted By: jamesingramAren't the renewable production targets of generators set by HMG ?
    yep
    Posted By: jamesingramand none oft he big producers achieve them, or has things changed in the last few years ?
    dunno, wouldn't surprise me if not. But that's really something to target the big boys for, rather than use as a stick to beat the companies that are walking the walk.

    At the very least, it's a damn site better than most (all?) of the big companies offerings that are merely repackaging the renewable energy supplies and investment they've have to be doing anyway and flogging it to green types at a premium as far as I could see last time I looked at it.
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeOct 27th 2011
     
    That's the answer I (we?) needed Gavin! Thanks. :thumbup:
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      CommentAuthorDamonHD
    • CommentTimeOct 27th 2011
     
    Joiner: until the fraction of units bought under 'green' tariffs from a supplier exceeds the fraction of units for which the supplier has to buy ROCs anyway (set by law and often not met AFAIK) then, yes, selling such 'green' tariffs at a premium is arguably greenwash and marginal fraud.

    The small suppliers are way in excess of the ROCs requirements (and may not even have any obligation at all being small) and thus are not greenwashing on those grounds.

    Rgds

    Damon
    • CommentAuthorRobinB
    • CommentTimeOct 27th 2011
     
    Any opinions,please, on OVO's 100% green tariff?
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    If the supplier is not investing all your money ( after costs and profit ) in new renewable energy production above and beyond HMG targets then it's a con.

    If all the supplier is doing is buying/selling renewable kWh on the market then its also a con.

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