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      CommentAuthorali.gill
    • CommentTimeFeb 22nd 2008
     
    Just want to query your thoughts on construction of a rendered wall. Where adaptation of a building requires new walls that are rendered to match the existing walls standard practice seems to be to spec partial fill cavity blockwork; though i remember someone commenting on here that its not necessary to have the cavity where a waterproof render mix and suitable insulation are spec'd.
    Understand the whole thermal mass/lightweight construction debate but want to know your thoughts on suitability of masonry cavity fill with spray urethane foam to achieve the airtightness discussed elsewhere. Any other solutions to this ..?
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    Hi ali. I do not agree with waterproof renders. They do not allow for movement in the same way soft permeable mixes do, meaning that they tend to crack more. Once they crack, the water gets in, gets trapped behind the waterproof render and if you are really unlucky - freezes, blowing your render of the wall.

    Also see discussion here http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=61&page=1#Item_19

    I would go for partial fill cavity unless you can use rendered external insulation.
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeFeb 22nd 2008
     
    With rendered walls there is no reason not to fully fill the cavity if you most have one!

    Better idea is to do the external insulation Mike just mentioned.
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      CommentAuthorali.gill
    • CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2008
     
    so rendered insulation on 200mm blockwork tony ? would this be okay to go up three storeys ? i'll check reg's.
    thanks, i'm sure i read before you werent keen on keeping cavity for rendered blockwork. with increasing insulation standards that style of construction appears to be becoming uneconomical. any thoughts on spray urethane as a cavity insulation? product blurb looks positive and seems to make sense.
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2008
     
    Better external and spray is expensive and bit naffy. I would not use spray as cavity insulation.
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      CommentAuthorali.gill
    • CommentTimeMar 24th 2008
     
    i just want to bring this live again with the question being that if the masonry is to abut existing walls and the new wall is to be insulated externally but the original wall is insulated internally, at best fully filled, then theres still the thermal bridge where the masonry abuts the old.
    if you're struggling with that - imagine a capital T - bottom right corner is external, theres insulation on top of the horizontal line and to the right of the vertical line, but heat can track through the horizontal line.
    even more so if the original cavity is only partially filled.
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    Why not insulate the existing house externally? You get the same thermal bridge problem, when insulating internally, where any internal wall meets an external wall.
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeMar 24th 2008
     
    Would that class as a designed in internal winter cooling system? generic to internally insulated properties.

    http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=931&page=1#Item_12
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeMar 24th 2008 edited
     
    Solid block plus external insulation to make up to thickness of the extg. cav wall, render all. Seamless! Certainly don't bother with cavities in this day and age. Tho Bldg rRgs 'deems to satisfy' 190 block thickness, for many buildings a Struct Eng can make 140 single skin blockwork stand up - leaves over 100 available for insulation as above. Works with cob block too (in greater thickness)
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      CommentAuthorali.gill
    • CommentTimeMar 24th 2008
     
    i know i'll insulate that wall externally, especially as its north facing anyway there wont be much left of that original wall anyway after the extension. front has to stay un-changed due to too many fiddly areas around bay windows, roof overhang, etc and its a semi. it's gonna look beefcake enough as it is when i've finished.
    now i just need to convince the client to hack off the render to the front of the house so it can be re-rendered with mesh folded round the corner, where the new external insulation is, to prevent the render cracking where old would meet new.
    has anyone found that to be a problem with external insulation systems, cracking render i mean, not convincing clients ? any other solutions to completely re-rendering of the front i'd be keen to hear. the only alternative i can think of is some kind of mastic joint.
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeMar 24th 2008
     
    They used to put in movement joints (two stop beads back to back with a flexible strip between them) in all the places that might crack or move = movement control joint.

    No need to strip the render? go over it.
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