Green Building Forum - Blob & dob -- thermal images Tue, 19 Dec 2023 05:34:59 +0000 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.0.3 Blob & dob -- thermal images http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=205823#Comment_205823 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=205823#Comment_205823 Sun, 20 Jul 2014 19:22:08 +0100 tony Blob & dob -- thermal images http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=205824#Comment_205824 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=205824#Comment_205824 Sun, 20 Jul 2014 19:25:49 +0100 SteamyTea ]]> Blob & dob -- thermal images http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=205825#Comment_205825 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=205825#Comment_205825 Sun, 20 Jul 2014 19:47:25 +0100 Saint ]]> Blob & dob -- thermal images http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=205826#Comment_205826 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=205826#Comment_205826 Sun, 20 Jul 2014 19:50:29 +0100 Ed Davies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsP-Gt52P2A

and extracted the frames of the wing going over the building (learning a bit about some handy tools in the process). You have to zoom in a bit at which point it get blurry but it's pretty clearly a compression artifact. One frame is clear, then it's over the edge and there's a weird distortion, then it's right over but the frame-to-frame compression hasn't caught up with the subtle shading change but there are little "sparkles" showing it's trying to represent some change then finally the wing becomes properly visible.]]> Blob & dob -- thermal images http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=205828#Comment_205828 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=205828#Comment_205828 Sun, 20 Jul 2014 21:47:31 +0100 atomicbisf Posted By: Nick ParsonsAtomicBISF wrote: ''As for the blobbing, isn't there a case that methods that are inherently prone to shoddy short cuts should be prohibited?''

Tony's suggestion is that it *was* 'prohibited' -or at least contrary to NHBC guidance - at the time it was built. The problem is that either no-one is looking, or they are not prepared, if they do spot 'blob and dob' to insist that it be ripped off.

And FT, I agree that it *may* not be an issue with EWI, particularly if you ''.....make sure each air cavity behind the EPS is no more than 1m2 (about 2 EWI blocks), dividing up by continuous ribbons of adhesive, with dots in between.'', but then in my view, that's not really dot and dab.

Nick

Hi, I meant maybe plaster boarding masonry walls should be prohibited, as specifying exactly the adhesive pattern should be to prevent air movement behind is unrealistic and unlikely to be adhered to.

Ed]]> Blob & dob -- thermal images http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=205829#Comment_205829 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=205829#Comment_205829 Sun, 20 Jul 2014 22:13:25 +0100 Nick Parsons Blob & dob -- thermal images http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=205830#Comment_205830 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=205830#Comment_205830 Sun, 20 Jul 2014 22:26:05 +0100 Triassic
But it's never going to happen as the whole building materials and house construction is another conspiracy in which profits are maximised and product and build quality is minimised.]]> Blob & dob -- thermal images http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=205841#Comment_205841 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=205841#Comment_205841 Mon, 21 Jul 2014 08:54:56 +0100 fostertom Blob & dob -- thermal images http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=205880#Comment_205880 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=205880#Comment_205880 Mon, 21 Jul 2014 21:32:18 +0100 GaryB Posted By: fostertomSorry - but it was fun
Tom - thanks to you I've spent most of the weekend researching both sides of the 9/11 story, like you starting from a position of disbelief and having been deeply moved when we visited Ground Zero during construction of the memorial. Ironically, I have also been to Pearl Harbor.

I'm now a conspiracy theorist...]]> Blob & dob -- thermal images http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=206035#Comment_206035 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=206035#Comment_206035 Thu, 24 Jul 2014 20:17:43 +0100 Ed Davies Posted By: GaryBI'm now a conspiracy theorist...Sorry to hear that. Now the original purpose of this thread has faded away I've just “unwhispered” a couple of posts to Tom on the subject.]]> Blob & dob -- thermal images http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=206037#Comment_206037 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=206037#Comment_206037 Thu, 24 Jul 2014 20:34:45 +0100 passivhausfan That seems good as then one could drill, route etc the interior to one's heart's content. Interior trades could concentrate on their concerns and on finish.
I'm not sure how one would achieve that with masonry though.]]> Blob & dob -- thermal images http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=206043#Comment_206043 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=206043#Comment_206043 Thu, 24 Jul 2014 21:39:28 +0100 tony Blob & dob -- thermal images http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=206053#Comment_206053 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=206053#Comment_206053 Fri, 25 Jul 2014 08:46:17 +0100 Simon Still Posted By: Ed DaviesGot the raw video from here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsP-Gt52P2A" rel="nofollow" >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsP-Gt52P2A

and extracted the frames of the wing going over the building (learning a bit about some handy tools in the process). You have to zoom in a bit at which point it get blurry but it's pretty clearly a compression artifact. One frame is clear, then it's over the edge and there's a weird distortion, then it's right over but the frame-to-frame compression hasn't caught up with the subtle shading change but there are little "sparkles" showing it's trying to represent some change then finally the wing becomes properly visible.
    http:///forum114/extensions/InlineImages/image.php?AttachmentID=5151" alt="1-before.jpg" >
    http:///forum114/extensions/InlineImages/image.php?AttachmentID=5152" alt="2-on.jpg" >
    http:///forum114/extensions/InlineImages/image.php?AttachmentID=5153" alt="3-sparkles.jpg" >
    http:///forum114/extensions/InlineImages/image.php?AttachmentID=5154" alt="4-wing.jpg" >


Sorry to take this back off topic but I'm Ed is spot on here. Pretty sure this is amateur handheld video, Low resolution, heavily zoomed (digital zoom at that distance?). The in camera compression will be pretty aggressive (that's what separates broadcast quality cameras from amatuer). It will have been re-encoded on broadcast which will have added further distortions. That YouTube vid claims to be RAW (suggesting it's an upload of the original footage rather than off air) but YouTube itself re-encodes, normally aggressively. The whole clip is covered in compression artefacts - look at the blocking on the building side when the camera zooms out (and the way the smoke moves - smoke is notoriously difficult both to generate in computer graphics and to encode)]]> Blob & dob -- thermal images http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=206056#Comment_206056 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=206056#Comment_206056 Fri, 25 Jul 2014 09:27:13 +0100 fostertom Posted By: passivhausfanput the airtight plane outside the structural wallmore 9/11 stuff?!]]> Blob & dob -- thermal images http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=206057#Comment_206057 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=206057#Comment_206057 Fri, 25 Jul 2014 09:29:18 +0100 fostertom Posted By: Ed DaviesI've just “unwhispered” a couple of posts to TomAnd so have I, my reply.]]> Blob & dob -- thermal images http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=206460#Comment_206460 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=206460#Comment_206460 Sun, 03 Aug 2014 10:49:35 +0100 Rick_M Posted By: TriassicWhat we need is a gun applied tub of adhesive that is as cheap as the bag stuff

I remember reading on this forum someone doing this already... Was it Mike George, using a repointing gun?]]> Blob & dob -- thermal images http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=206488#Comment_206488 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=206488#Comment_206488 Sun, 03 Aug 2014 19:59:30 +0100 Mike George
My method ive used in the past for IWI here http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/forum114/comments.php?DiscussionID=1070&page=1]]> Blob & dob -- thermal images http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=206489#Comment_206489 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=206489#Comment_206489 Sun, 03 Aug 2014 20:41:41 +0100 Seret Posted By: Ed Davies1) Nobody I know of suggests that the aircraft cut through the steel structure. Quite the contrary, the steel cut through the aircraft atomizing the fuel - hence the immediate large fire/explosion. See the aircraft which crashed into the Pentagon (there's no room for doubt there) where large parts of the aircraft were shredded and just disappeared into the building.

Having attended a few crashes of jet aircraft I can confirm that there's not much left of them afterwards if they go in hard. Generally the only sizeable chunks of anything left are the guts of the engines. The rest of the aircraft turns into little chunks of twisted aluminium. They basically just vanish when they hit anything solid.

I've also worked with explosives, and the idea that the Twin Towers were pre-wired with demolition charges without any of the thousands of occupants noticing is just ludicrous. Absolute fantasy, dreamed up by people that don't have the first idea what they're talking about.

The only 9/11 conspiracy story that I've heard that's remotely plausible is that the yanks shot down the fourth aircraft.]]> Blob & dob -- thermal images http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=206492#Comment_206492 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=206492#Comment_206492 Sun, 03 Aug 2014 21:31:35 +0100 atomicbisf Posted By: Seret
Posted By: Ed Davies1) Nobody I know of suggests that the aircraft cut through the steel structure. Quite the contrary, the steel cut through the aircraft atomizing the fuel - hence the immediate large fire/explosion. See the aircraft which crashed into the Pentagon (there's no room for doubt there) where large parts of the aircraft were shredded and just disappeared into the building.


Having attended a few crashes of jet aircraft I can confirm that there's not much left of them afterwards if they go in hard. Generally the only sizeable chunks of anything left are the guts of the engines. The rest of the aircraft turns into little chunks of twisted aluminium. They basically just vanish when they hit anything solid.

I've also worked with explosives, and the idea that the Twin Towers were pre-wired with demolition charges without any of the thousands of occupants noticing is just ludicrous. Absolute fantasy, dreamed up by people that don't have the first idea what they're talking about.

Classic Dunning-Kruger effect ;)

Ed]]> Blob & dob -- thermal images http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=206499#Comment_206499 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=206499#Comment_206499 Mon, 04 Aug 2014 08:59:37 +0100 Seret Blob & dob -- thermal images http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=206510#Comment_206510 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=206510#Comment_206510 Mon, 04 Aug 2014 13:20:01 +0100 db8000
It would be interesting to do a Dunning-Kruger effect study on the results of GBF members' building works.

Certainly my ability to estimate how long works will take is classed as incompetent. And I'm wrong every time.]]> Blob & dob -- thermal images http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=206511#Comment_206511 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=206511#Comment_206511 Mon, 04 Aug 2014 13:25:39 +0100 SteamyTea
I learnt about it as part of my teacher training, most of us live in fear of being 'caught out'. :cool:]]> Blob & dob -- thermal images http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=206514#Comment_206514 http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9040&Focus=206514#Comment_206514 Mon, 04 Aug 2014 13:44:12 +0100 db8000
https://twitter.com/drphilhammond/statuses/474106339204284416]]>