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    • CommentAuthorJaspden123
    • CommentTimeApr 30th 2019
     
    Hi everyone, I’m a builder and also a student in my final year of a construction degree. I’m trying to gather information about issues, challenges and successes self builders experience when planning/building there own home. Mainly in gaining planning permission and complying with constraints that a project has?

    My subject area and also passion is within alternative construction methods

    (earthships, straw bale, hybrids etc.) and anything that has a low impact on the environment/natural materials (renewable tech, eco design, energy efficiency).

    I also hope to have my own self build project on the go in a couple of years time (fingers crossed) so any information, experiences, stories or guides that anyone has would be gratefully appreciated.



    Cheers,

    Jonny
    • CommentAuthorDarylP
    • CommentTimeApr 30th 2019
     
    ...plan as much detail as possible, down to the finest level.
    Any changes once you start building are more difficult to remedy compared to the 'paper' stage! ;-)
    good luck..
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeApr 30th 2019
     
    Posted By: Jaspden123Hi everyone, I’m a builder and also a student in my final year of a construction degree. I’m trying to gather information about issues, challenges and successes self builders experience when planning/building there own home. Mainly in gaining planning permission and complying with constraints that a project has?

    Hi Jonathan and welcome to the forum. I'm not clear what you mean with this paragraph. Are you saying that you think the main problems are with planning and constraints, or are you saying that that is where your interest is?

    I agree with Daryl that one key to success is planning in as much detail as possible in advance and in having as much knowledge about the related areas as possible. And having access to somebody who can answer questions in any areas that you don't feel confident of (which this forum is an excellent resource for :).

    Planning wasn't a big problem for us, but still it took a long time from finding a plot to starting to build, but it was time well spent. Knowing what you're looking for in a plot is a key skill, because you have to act fast when you find one, without skimping anything essential.

    Things can go wrong very quickly when building, so I think it is important to be on site to resolve issues before they become major problems. Skills like project management, budgeting, people management are also important.
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeApr 30th 2019
     
    I have some experience both getting Planning Permission and opposing a Planning Application. Main issue is that Planning Departments are under resourced and in some cases just plain incompetent.

    It took us over a year and at least £10K to get planning permission for our house on a plot that already had planning permission. In addition I had to pay out for aircraft flights, hotels and car hire to return to the UK to attend meetings with the planners - which mostly achieved very little.

    For a year the planners insisted our house must be built right at the front of our plot where it is narrow yet at the same time they wanted us to preserve a view (of the sky!) up through the plot. We made numerous attempts to satisfy their ever changing and conflicting demands.

    There were several occasions when we submitted revised drawings and never got a response. After >4 weeks of waiting we would eventually discover that this was because the planning officer/conservation officer/tree officer had quit their job or gone on a long holiday. Some staff in the planning office only worked two days a week and were overloaded.

    Just as we were about to give up we discover they had told a previous owner of the plot in writing that a "house further back might be better". When presented with this letter the planners rolled over and approved a design that was virtually identical to our original proposal a year earlier.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeApr 30th 2019
     
    Posted By: CWattersthe planning officer/conservation officer/tree officer

    Ouch! Yes, one of the things I was looking for in a plot was that it wasn't in a conservation area, and ideally didn't have any TPOs. We managed both of those, although we are next to a listed building which brought its own foibles.
    • CommentAuthorJaspden123
    • CommentTimeApr 30th 2019
     
    Apologies for the confusion, I am researching and trying to put together a kind of ‘how to guide’ in regards to gaining planning permission when using “non - traditional” methods of construction, i.e. instead of bricks and mortar, using strawbale, earth filled tyres, hempcrete blocks etc.

    I agree that preparation and planning is key in the primary stages of any project, if it is to be successful.
    This being said, I was wondering whether using alternative materials lengthens the early stages of a project. I’m sure their would be more requirements to adhere to, not just in gaining planning permission but also to passed by building control, structural engineers etc.

    From the comments I can gather that your experiences have been long ones, but I was under the impression that the estimated turnaround for planning applications was12-16 week!?
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeApr 30th 2019
     
    Posted By: Jaspden123I am researching and trying to put together a kind of ‘how to guide’ in regards to gaining planning permission when using “non - traditional” methods of construction, i.e. instead of bricks and mortar, using strawbale, earth filled tyres, hempcrete blocks etc.

    Planning permission has nothing to do with the construction materials. It is to do with the size, location and appearance of the building(s). Having said that, the fact that our application was viewed as an 'ecological, low energy' build because we used straw bales was an advantage with winning votes from the planning committee members.

    Building regulations are the part of the process that are concerned with building materials and that is where the freedom to select a building inspector who is familiar with the proposed materials can be very helpful.

    The time taken is not the length of time for the council to consider the application; it's the length of time before the application is submitted working out all the details that have been mentioned and preparing the submissions and reports that are needed. Since appearance is fundamental to planning permission, it is necessary to decide the exact position of all doors and windows and the outward appearance and colours of all external materials, for example.
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    Posted By: djh
    Posted By: Jaspden123I am researching and trying to put together a kind of ‘how to guide’ in regards to gaining planning permission when using “non - traditional” methods of construction, i.e. instead of bricks and mortar, using strawbale, earth filled tyres, hempcrete blocks etc.

    Planning permission has nothing to do with the construction materials. It is to do with the size, location and appearance of the building(s). Having said that, the fact that our application was viewed as an 'ecological, low energy' build because we used straw bales was an advantage with winning votes from the planning committee members.

    Not strictly true as the rainscreen material is part of the wall construction and has a bearing on planning permission as does the roofing material. We designed a PH but our LPA wasn't interested in the least, but like you the planning committee members took that fact into account when overruling the planners.
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    Thanks for all the information, what does it take for a planning committee to over rule planners? Is there certain criteria or requirements that have to be met? Also does the planning committee consist of people from the local department or is it made up of members of parish/neighbourhood groups etc?

    Thanks again 👍
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeMay 3rd 2019
     
    There's a fair summary at https://www.planningportal.co.uk/info/200126/applications/58/the_decision-making_process and a bit more at https://www.eden.gov.uk/planning-and-building/planning/apply-for-planning-permission/planning-applications-that-go-to-committee/ about how one council operates. The rules the councils are supposed to follow are explained a bit at https://www.gov.uk/guidance/determining-a-planning-application

    Basically, things that are not controversial in any way can be decided by officers employed by the council. Anything large or controversial in any way is put before the planning committee, which is made up of elected district or borough councillors. Parish councils are formal consultees but their opinions generally do not count for much (they were the only objectors to our application).
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    You can ask for your application to go before the Planning Committee and to do that you must get a councillor to support your application and ask for you. You are given three minutes to tell the Planning Committee why you think your application should be approved. In our case the application was approved unanimously, which annoyed the Head of Planning greatly.
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeMay 3rd 2019
     
    Planners don't like change except when they do. In general they routinely insist you use the same materials as every other house in the road so it's an up hill battle to build anything that looks radically different. Took me long enough just to get my bricks approved. They rejected my first choice of hand made bricks as having "too much texture".

    However there are two occasions when they will accept something radically different:

    1) In areas where there is already a mix of styles and materials (Heck what's one more unusual building).

    2) On an extension to a historic/listed building. If they are going to allow an extension they frequently want it to appear obvious that the extension is more modern, they shy away from attempts to copy the style of the original, perhaps because they don't believe builders can achieve a good enough match.
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeMay 3rd 2019
     
    I once asked our planning officer if I would be more likely to get planning permission if I applied for a sustainable building. I was told "No because all buildings must be sustainable these days".
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeMay 3rd 2019
     
    Posted By: CWatters1) In areas where there is already a mix of styles and materials (Heck what's one more unusual building).

    We took lots of pictures of the nearby 60s & 70s estate houses in case the planners or committee decided they wanted something in the vernacular (thinking thatched cottages or whatever) :devil:

    Fortunately they didn't.
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