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    • CommentAuthorRex
    • CommentTimeNov 15th 2022 edited
     
    What ho one and all,

    I have too many differing screwdriver bits, including a set of security torx.

    But I don't have a tamper proof hex set and all my Google searching, only brings up torx bits with a hex shank.

    My question is, based upon the arrowed bit, what is it called so that I can find a long reach version?

    Thanks
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeNov 15th 2022 edited
     
    Dunno, but can't you just use a drill extension? You can get either rigid or flexible extensions with a magnetic hex socket at one end and a hex 'plug' at the other. I haven't yet found a circumstance where one or the other won't fit.
    • CommentAuthorballen
    • CommentTimeNov 15th 2022
     
    Tamper proof hex does seem to be what they are generally referred to by.

    Wera seem do a few 89mm long bits - https://cpc.farnell.com/w/c/tools-maintenance/power-tools/drills-drivers/screwdriver-hex-bits/screwdriver-bits?product-range=wera-840-4-z-bits

    Not my favourite store but Amazon has these 100mm ones in 3 and 5mm - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Yato-yt-0494-Hexagon-Screwdriver-2pcs-Manipulations/dp/B005KLNR1S
    • CommentAuthorRex
    • CommentTimeNov 15th 2022
     
    Basically, a toaster has stopped working and the tamper proof hex screws are both very small and around 25mm deep. So anything with an extension will not go in the hole. My longer reach torx fit but it is not a torx head.

    I had to take a photo with a boroscope to see the head as it is virtually impossible to see by eye. Of course, it is just a cheap, probably Chinese made toaster, but it is probably nothing more than some crumbs that need cleaning out and I am opposed to buying another if that is the simple fix.

    3mm may just about work, 5 will certainly be too large. Given that it is possible to buy all the torx sizes, I don't understand why similar hex security long reach are so rare.
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    And what is the point of security tamper proof screws if you can just buy the bits to unscrew the blighters over the counter?
    • CommentAuthorRex
    • CommentTimeNov 16th 2022 edited
     
    Peter, I agree with you but how 'tamper proof' does a toaster need to be?

    I know we live in a disposable society and desperately need to boost the poverty stricken Chinese economy, but if I can do a simple fix, then I will.

    Of greater interest, why is are long reach torx so readily available but tamper proof hex (Allen Plus?) not?
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    Posted By: RexPeter, I agree with you but how 'tamper proof' does a toaster need to be?

    Probably all about fixability. If they can make it a bit more difficult for the DIY may to fix it then perhaps the easier choice is to dump it and buy a new one because getting it professionally fixed would not be cost effective.
    As you say we need to help the poverty stricken Chinese economy and fixing something doesn't achieve that.


    Posted By: RexOf greater interest, why is are long reach torx so readily available but tamper proof hex (Allen Plus?) not?

    Supply and demand ??
    • CommentAuthorSteveZ
    • CommentTimeNov 16th 2022
     
    If you possess a set of screw/ broken bolt extractors - left hand tapered thread, it might give enough grip to get the thing out.

    You could tap one of your existing longer Torx bits into the hole and hope it grips well enough to unscrew it.

    Find a piece of thin wall tube and form a hex on the end.

    Should provide a couple of hours entertainment anyhow :wink:
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    Drill off the screw heads to get it apart. If you do manage to fix it, then superglue it back together.

    Too many crumbs will make it smoke, but unlikely to stop it working? More likely the element has burned out, can you unplug the toaster and measure the resistance across the plug pins while you hold down the lever? Or maybe the switch has gone, can you use a voltage detector pen to check the element is energised? If you have some idea what the fault is you can decide whether it is likely to be fixable and so save yourself having to open it fruitlessly.
    • CommentAuthorneelpeel
    • CommentTimeNov 16th 2022
     
    Drill a hole in an Allen key?
    • CommentAuthorrevor
    • CommentTimeNov 16th 2022
     
    I would solve this problem and future ones, do what we did some 25 years ago and buy a Dualit toaster. Just so easy to get into and repair. In that time only replaced 2 elements a 10 min job standard screwdriver. A bit on the pricey side but you only buy once.
    • CommentAuthorGareth J
    • CommentTimeNov 17th 2022 edited
     
    In the past, I've welded one onto the end of an old screwdriver and turned it down. Need a welder and some kind of grinder for that though.


    Alternatively, if you have a Dremel, you may be able to grind away the "nipple" in the screws that forms the security part. Using a small diamond bit. But that'll be very tricky to do in the confines of a small, deep hole.

    Another alternative option is to, if the sizes are close, enlarge the hole slightly, so there is clearance for the extension. However, the plastic will probably be pretty thin so won't take much thinning.

    Unless you have a lathe and carbide or diamond bits, forget drilling a hole in an Allen key. Though, if you had a dremeltype tool a steady hand and appropriate diamond bit, you might be able to make something workable with that.
    • CommentAuthorphiledge
    • CommentTimeNov 17th 2022 edited
     
    Posted By: revorA bit on the pricey side but you only buy once.


    Yep. Theres way more to value shopping than the price
    • CommentAuthorRex
    • CommentTimeNov 17th 2022
     
    Drilling into an Allen key; don't have a lathe. Don't have a welder either.

    May consider buying a cheap set of long reach torx and grinding the stars off which is probably the easiest way forward.

    Years ago, did consider a Duralit but SWMBO has to approve and she is not a Duralit style fan. Also, years ago, had a Kitchen Aid toaster which was excellent, until the heating wire broke. Not only almost impossible to get inside the thing but the cost of a new element with the wires wrapped around was about the same as buying a whole new toaster.

    So these days, we tend to go for the least expensive, knowing that it will become rubbish in a few years time.

    As I said above, have to support the Chinese economy!
    • CommentAuthorGareth J
    • CommentTimeNov 17th 2022
     
    Without a welder, you could make a semi mechanical fix and glue or braze. Brazing would be doable on something that small with a normal mapp gas torch. However, easier than that (and no risk to messing up any temper on the security bit in the process) would be to slot the back end of the security bit with a hacksaw and jam an old screwdriver in there, then epoxy/chemical metal/superglue and baking soda the two together. Should hold enough to undo a few toaster screws.
    • CommentAuthorLF
    • CommentTimeNov 17th 2022
     
    Hate throwing stuff away without having a go at fixing. Pet hate is microwave interiors that are now painted and not stainless like the first ones were.

    Think Wills idea of testing what the issue is without taking apart is a good one and gluing after butchering the screw is sounds good. Can you not jamm a flat head thin screw driver/terminal driver in with the help of a hammer ? Maybe with a blob of epoxy on the end if not a snug fit.

    Left handed/opposite direction drill would likely get the screw out and be useful for repairing other stuff if you can get one long enough.
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeNov 17th 2022
     
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