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Building Regulations and Standards: Gas Appliance Installation

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    • CommentAuthorCharli
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2013 edited
     
    I do glass work, as in for a hobby I use a small blowtorch to melt and shape hot glass. I have recently purchased a new house, with a spare room to use as my 'craft room'. I would like to run a gas pipe from downstairs (where the gas meter is), to the room directly above (craft room), to use in my torch, with appropriate isolators and with a reducing fitting on the end of the fixed line to enable me to attach a flexible hose that goes to the blowtorch (its a special hose with stainless-steel braid on so the glass can't melt it). The house insurance is all fine with this providing I don't sell what I make, and that I have the gas line installed by a gas-safe engineer. I can't find a gas safe engineer willing to fit me a gas line.
    a) they won't fit them into a bedroom. Though I'm not using the room as a bedroom, have no children/pets/goblins that will live in that room, and will remove the entire gas line if I ever move/repurpose the room.
    b) they won't leave an open-ended gas line, my flexible hose being classed as open-ended.
    c) or they will only let me use a flexible cooking-hose on the end, which doesn't fit my torch.. and I could melt through as it isn't armoured..

    Anything I can say/do/point out to them? Other than get a new hobby?
    (Ps: I'm in England, Midlands)

    Thanks,
    Charli
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    What about converting to bottled gas - either propane or butane, I suspect you get a small dumpy gas bottle of say about 4kg capacity and an adjustable regulator for somewhat less than the labour costs of installing the gas pipe. I can't imagine that your torch uses a vast amount of gas so a bottle should last quite a long time. And being a portable appliance different rules would apply, and obviously moving it around becomes easy and if you ever wanted to exhibit or demonstrate your craft this would also be possible.
    • CommentAuthorGaryB
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2013
     
    I don't think you will get any Gas Safe fitter to certify your proposed installation as they have to accept legal responsibility for it.

    Bottled solution, CO alarm and plenty of ventilation is the only way forward.

    Unless you move your hobby into a garage or shed...
    • CommentAuthorCharli
    • CommentTimeJan 14th 2013
     
    I can work on propane, but I use about 6 6kg bottles a year. That itself isn't a problem, but working anywhere damp isn't possible due to it damaging my oxygen-equipment- so a shed is out (that and my garden is an allotment- some distance from my house and without any chance of getting electricity), and I don't have a garage. I can't bring propane into the house.

    I obviously have CO alarms, fire extinguishers, etc, and I have professionally installed ventilation. I did used to do the glass work for a living, so i know what I'm doing, my equipment has the best safety stuff you can buy- and at the end of the day its basically a bunsen burner flame! I can't believe its so complicated and hard to get a low-pressure gas line to what is essentially a fancy bunsen burner!

    I'm guessing from the replies that there's no chance ever of getting a gas line put in? I couldn't possibly somehow explain a reasoning to a gas fitter? There is no scope in the regs a all for anything even slightly unusual?
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeJan 14th 2013
     
    you should be able to find a gas safe engineer who will do it, how about asking gas safe themselves to recommend some one call it a workshop.
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeJan 15th 2013
     
    Tony's right Charli, don't mention bedroom, call it craft workshop.
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    Posted By: CharliI can't bring propane into the house.

    Why not - OK the regs over here might be different, but the many places off gas grid here have the 11kg bottle of gas next to the gas stove in the kitchen. Also plumbers working in houses also use portable gas torches in houses - don't they? Here you can also get portable room heaters fuelled by bottle gas, the gas bottle being housed within the heater, not the best heaters as far as humidity goes but they serve a purpose and are allowed within the regs. .
    • CommentAuthorRobinB
    • CommentTimeJan 15th 2013
     
    Posted By: Peter_in_HungaryHere you can also get portable room heaters fuelled by bottle gas
    and still going here......

    http://www.heatersuk.com/p/4852069/Clarke-MGH-Mobile-Gas-Heater.html?gclid=CLHOwv6u6rQCFW3MtAodlHMAhw

    But maybe the insurance isn't so keen?
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeJan 15th 2013
     
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeJan 17th 2013
     
    I wouldn't mess with hydrogen. Too dangerous.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeJan 17th 2013
     
    No better or worse than other gases in practice.
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeJan 17th 2013
     
    oxyacetylene portapack?
    • CommentAuthorSteveZ
    • CommentTimeJan 17th 2013
     
    If you wanted a gas fire in the room, there would need to be a gas pipe with a tap installed before the gas fire connection ................................ :wink:

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