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    • CommentAuthormitchino
    • CommentTimeMay 12th 2023 edited
     
    I am a photographer by trade and I've been asked to create a moroccan style bench and wall set with rounded corners (as if made from concrete) for a lifestyle shoot. I have been experimenting with some offcuts of polystyrene and cellotex.

    I've found I can glue, cut, file, sand and paint them and get a good result, but I'm concerned about the dust and bits I'm creating and the environment.

    I know they use expanding foam to build sets in the movie industry, how do they get around the problem? And if I am to use polystyrene or the rigid insulation, which one is the least bad for the environment?
    • CommentAuthorMike1
    • CommentTimeMay 12th 2023
     
    Cellotex contains glass fibres, whereas polystyrene contains only polystyrene, so the latter would be my choice out of the two.

    In theory there are places that recycle polystyrene, although I seem recall another discussion here where most of the supposed recycling points weren't interested (unless you delivered it to them?).
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeMay 13th 2023
     
    I was asonished to read that PIR biodegrades (hopefully completely into organic molecules, not just into smaller and smaller flakes of still-plastic like so-called biodegradeable plastic bags)
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeMay 13th 2023
     
    Posted By: fostertomI was asonished to read that PIR biodegrades
    You're not confusing Post Industrial Recycled waste with some old insulation by any chance? If not, I'd be interested to read the article.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeMay 13th 2023
     
    Sorry no - it was microbes found that can digest PUR - a bit different.
    • CommentAuthorRobL
    • CommentTimeMay 13th 2023
     
    The best way to cut polystyrene is with hot wire cutters - it’s dust free, and leaves a smooth surface not a bobbly one as when you cut with a saw, so you can avoid sanding too. You can buy them in various shapes, they’re also pretty easy to make.
    Nichrome wire, 0.4mm thick, is a good starting point. You can even get rectangular sections of wire that can form small curves. Thicker wire snaps less, but needs higher current, longer wire needs more volts. You need a beefy power supply (the expensive part) - best is to buy/borrow a ‘bench’ supply that is adjustable over maybe 0-60v 0-10A. I have one that is configurable 0-30V 0-6A or 0-60V 0-3A, which is good enough for approx 30cm lengths of 0.4mm wire at around 5A, and 100cm ish lengths of 0.3mm dia wire at around 3A. Get the wire orange hot, then back off a bit.
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    How bad would cutting PIR be without using a mask?
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeMay 13th 2023
     
    I would try using extruded polystyrene, XPS
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeMay 13th 2023
     
    Posted By: VictorianecoHow bad would cutting PIR be without using a mask?
    Why would you want to?
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeMay 13th 2023 edited
     
    Posted By: tonyI would try using extruded polystyrene, XPS


    +1
    XPS would be my choice too, Styrofoam is widely used for sculpting.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeMay 13th 2023 edited
     
    RobL, invaluable advice - thanks - to add to previous on DIY hot-wires.
    http://www.alloywire.com/resistance-wire.html are expert at supplying types of hot-wires.
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    Posted By: fostertommicrobes found that can digest PUR

    Very many different molecules can be joined together with urethane bonds, also called carbamate, so there are very many different kinds of polyurethane. Some are easily biodegradable.

    Unfortunately PUR insulation boards, are not (yet) a biodegradable kind of PUR.

    In future, insulation might be made of a biodegradable version of polyurethane, then microbial enzymes could be used to 'melt' it down for reuse. The excited article in a certain newspaper last week about 'microbes that eat plastic', didn't really explain this! Science journalism is not their strong point any more ...:sad:
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeMay 14th 2023
     
    I'm looking forward to the inevitability that enhanced or self-evolving plastic-eating organisms will go feral in the environment and all plastics everywhere will suffer rapid degradation just like rusting steel!

    Where degradation must mean complete reduction to organic molecules, not just breaking into smaller pieces, which are lethal to wildlife. I am horrified to find endless small bits of plastic in the soil of our veg garden, which used to be virgin meadow, so is all our doing. All of this has to be cleaned up, in soil, sea and prob even air.
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    Share the sentiment, but don't hold your breath for it!

    Man has been making and discarding steel and other metals for 1000s of years. Thermodynamics says there's a lot of energy tied up in steel, which an enterprising microorganism could swarm all over and gobble up.

    But there still aren't m/any organisms that eat steel, afaik. Biochemistry says that it's difficult for an organism to get its digestive chemicals into steel.

    Same with plastic. There are millions of different kinds of plastic, all with energy tied up in them which bugs could feast on, but many of the common ones are biochemically difficult for a bug to take a first bite out of.

    Some biodegradable plastics have chemical features which are also found in natural polymers (wool, proteins, cellulose etc) so offer bugs a way to get started on digestion.

    Some kinds of poly 'ester' or 'ether' are promising. The newspaper article about 'bugs eating plastic' was actually about a polyester-based version of PUR.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeMay 14th 2023
     
    Don't know anything about these possibilities, but they look interesting:
    https://www.ncl.ac.uk/who-we-are/vision/green-energy/
    https://plasticenergy.com/
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeMay 14th 2023
     
    I doubt anyone recycles polystyrene dust. It will mostly be vacuumed or swept up and be mixed with other workshop dust.

    There are some cellulose based insulation foams but I don't know what availability is like.

    There are also some wood fibre based insulation products that might work but harder to use for the OP...

    https://www.ecomerchant.co.uk/walls/insulation/wood-fibre-rigid.html

    I think in the OP case I would sweep/vacuum up the dust, and put it out for general rubbish collection. Sad but.
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    Rethink
    Redesign
    Reduce
    Reuse
    Recycle
    Dispose


    Seems to me there is a lot of interest in recycling and (bio) disposal of plastics. But that is focused on the wrong end of the waste hierarchy.

    One of the disappointing aspects of the failed bottle deposit scheme in Scotland, is the returned bottles will not be reused, the scheme just replaces kerbside recycling.
    No incentives to redesign packaging to make it less harmful, or to rethink overpackaging.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeMay 14th 2023 edited
     
    Posted By: CWattersI would sweep/vacuum up the dust, and put it out for general rubbish collection. Sad but.
    Not too bad - in future I'd expect that landfills will be re-quarried for all sorts of materials, as automated sorting becomes more able to distinguish and collect small quanties of an ever-growing range of materials incl different plastics, and economic. So landfilling much better than burning for energy.
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