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    • CommentAuthorGBP-Keith
    • CommentTimeJan 30th 2007 edited
     
    What a mess this is in. The Summer edition of BFF will include an in-depth look at the mess the gov has made of this grant scheme for small scale renewables. It is clearly frustrating to homeowners and businesses aloke and is actually causing a stagnation of business. Post your comments/experiences about it here or suggest companies that we should consider getting an opinion from for the story.

    Rumour has it that it has been set up to fail so the nuclear option is made to seem more necessary. What do you think?
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      CommentAuthornigel
    • CommentTimeJan 30th 2007
     
    I made an application under Stream 2A before the deadline of 30th November and since then I have heard nothing.

    I have been chasing for a response this week but with no joy.

    I think most of it is bad organisation but maybe I am being generous to them.
    • CommentAuthorGBP-Keith
    • CommentTimeJan 30th 2007
     
    I'm about to make an application but apparently you have to sit by your computer at midnight on the last day of the month to be in with any chance of getting a look in and I'm not sure what they do with the backlog as it closes each month and January apparently close on the 11th because the allocation for the month had been used up by then. Someone told me it was all spent on B&Q roof mounted wind turbine applications.
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      CommentAuthornigel
    • CommentTimeJan 30th 2007
     
    The DTI seem to be making it clear that this is going to be the last scheme as by then all thess technologies and the supply network will be established.

    Well it wont be established for much longer if they remove all incentives. The costs of these technologies is far too high due to the low volume being installed and therefore the specialised nature of the work.
    • CommentAuthorGBP-Keith
    • CommentTimeFeb 6th 2007 edited
     
    The February outing for the LCBP household grants was closed by the 5th!!
    What can the poor punter do? We would be better off without them teasing us.

    :fingersear:
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    Is that a personal smiley or can we all use it?
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      CommentAuthornigel
    • CommentTimeFeb 6th 2007
     
    I am reliably informed that the LCBP is now actually becoming a problem for installers rather than an asset.

    Good installers are telling their potential clients about the grants, they then apply and get deferred.
    Many would not be too bothered without the grant but as its there they wait for it and wait for it.

    The net effect is that it is now actually deferring investment in renewables not stimulating it.
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      CommentAuthorKeith Hall
    • CommentTimeFeb 6th 2007 edited
     
    Exactly. I talked to Proven (wind turbines) this morning and told them I want to go ahead soon with an installation so why don't they offer a small discount to people prepared to sidestep the crappy gov LCBP grant scheme. They threw it back in my face and told me they are convinced that LCBP scheme is good for their business. (The downside for UK customers is that Proven are popular worldwide so the UK market is negligable - more of an irritation to them, I detected). I cannot see the sense in all the hanging around that installers have to do.

    Mike. The smilies abound in the drop-down box next to the ones showing. (my 13 year old son had to find them for me.
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    Thanks Keith
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      CommentAuthornigel
    • CommentTimeFeb 15th 2007
     
    Well I am in favour of keeping the LCBP because I have just been notified that my application for a Stream 2A covering 8.9KwP of PV and a pellet boiler have been approved.

    Only been waiting since last April but better late than never and the application form is a pig but at least it was worth it (I think).
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      CommentAuthorKeith Hall
    • CommentTimeFeb 15th 2007
     
    Wow I've just decide to apply for stream 2a but I'm not going to wait that long!! I'll be too old and decrepit to help install it by then
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      CommentAuthornigel
    • CommentTimeFeb 15th 2007
     
    The main wait was for them to set the scheme up following the demise of clear skies etc.

    Actual application was end of November, heard absolutley nothing and then an email saying its been approved.
    I was concerned that they might be oversubscribed due to the delay in getting the scheme going but alas not.

    Be warned the application form is a pig. I can send you one if you havent got one to look at. There is now much more to it than previous grants.
    Let me know if you need any info.
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      CommentAuthorKeith Hall
    • CommentTimeFeb 16th 2007
     
    Sorry Biff. I deleted your event posting because it was out of place on this thread.

    Nigel, Yes please do send me a copy of the form that was overcomplicated so i can take a look.
    • CommentAuthorbiffvernon
    • CommentTimeFeb 16th 2007
     
    OK, Keith, but what category should it go in? That's the trouble with categories:confused:
    • CommentAuthorGBP-Keith
    • CommentTimeFeb 16th 2007
     
    We don't encourage the posting of chargeable events on the forum Biff we have a dedicated events section on the newbuilder website. Since you did post it I'm discussing with collegues here about poss adding a category for events and courses.

    the underlying problem is is that we are unsure if we should give such what is essentially free publicity to companies or organisations that are profiting from running the events, many of which give Green Building Press little or no mention in return!
    • CommentAuthorbiffvernon
    • CommentTimeFeb 18th 2007
     
    Ah, right. I hadn't actually considered the issue of it being a chargeable event. It just seemed appropriate that such an event with that particular collection of speakers should be highlighted as it seemed pertinant to the discussion. I didn't imagine any of us would actually be going to it!
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      CommentAuthorKeith Hall
    • CommentTimeFeb 18th 2007
     
    If you e-mail it to me Biff. I'll add it to our events page on newbuilder website.
    • CommentAuthorbiffvernon
    • CommentTimeFeb 18th 2007
     
    e-mail on its way but I notice that the Building a Low Carbon World conference organizers say, "Although this is a non commercial platform, we are asking attendees to make a contribution of £150 per delegate towards the cost of staging the event." It therefore does not come under the heading of "companies or organisations that are profiting from running the events".
    I hear the sound of hairs splitting
    :wink:
    • CommentAuthorbiffvernon
    • CommentTimeFeb 18th 2007
     
    PS, Keith, I notice you don't have your e-mail conveniently located on your profile:smile:
    • CommentAuthorGBP-Keith
    • CommentTimeFeb 19th 2007
     
    Done it now Biff. Sorry for the oversite. I guess it might be worth explaning that only other forum members (registration is free) can see e-mails that are on member's profiles. But members do have the option of not providing an e-mail address to other members if they so wish.
    • CommentAuthorGuest
    • CommentTimeMar 4th 2007
     
    hi
    I am german and writing my diploma about micro-chp in europe. Does the LCBP also help with grants for the installation for micro-chp or only for renewable energies. there are different informaions on the website.?? thanks
    Regarding your experience, do you think that more people invest in micro generation with the grants, or are there more people who invest without the grant?
    • CommentAuthorGBP-Keith
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2007
     
    More want to invest with the grants I think. Everyone likes a bargain but are unable to do so because the grants keep drying up. So the LCBP is currently holding up progress.

    I hear through the grapevine that the renewable power association have finally gotten a channel of communication open with the PM and Brown. So might we see something in the forthcoming budget?

    Lay your bets gentlemen.
    • CommentAuthorGuest
    • CommentTimeMar 18th 2007
     
    [Highwayman as Guest]

    For solar water heating the grant is smaller than the difference between high and low quotes. So you could manage without, especially if installers were to meet you halfway with a bit of a price drop. If their businesses depend on it, this could happen....
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    Well you will be pleased to know that an extra 6 million quid has been added to the scheme- so I am thinking of running a betting card in how long it will take to get through the monthly allowance thsi time- I think it was 75 minutes to spend it last time. with an extra 30% then I calculate 97 minutes and 30 seconds
    P
    • CommentAuthorGBP-Keith
    • CommentTimeMar 23rd 2007
     
    :cry: :cry: :cry:

    Alistair darling has said today:

    "While the scheme is re-structured the decision has been taken to suspend it for the
    April allocation. It’s important that this final additional funding for household
    renewables, due to end in mid 2008, is used to best effect to bring on a
    microgeneration sector that can stand on its own two feet without further subsidy.
    DTI Ministers will be meeting with industry to discuss how best to operate the new
    scheme and will announce the way forward in May.

    What can you say!
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    Keith asks 'what can you say?' 'Forget 2010 and 2020'? I think we need continuing subsidy for some considerable while, until strengthened Bldg regs bring in RE as a matter of course (coercion is a wonderful thing!). How on earth can we expect to meet our targets when we start from way behind the starting line?
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    Personally I don't see a problem with subsidy / tax breaks / artificially high prices for power sold back to the local grid. The free market is rarely left to itself despite years of Thatcher/Blairist pro-big business government. Subsidies of one form or another are everywhere, from free road access for car drivers to tax free fuel for aviation. In fact I have just finished reading the world development movement report, Dying on a Jet plane- see http://www.naturalchoices.co.uk/Dying-on-a-Jet-Plane-L10-4-billion?id_mot=8 (Shameless self promotion here)
    It argues that due to no tax in aviation fuel and no VAT in effect the Brtitish tax payer is subsidizing aviation to the tune of 10.4 billion a year- or £173 for every person in the UK.
    Now you could put up a few solar panels for £10.4 billion.
    Pete
  6.  
    I have just finished knock out a piece on the latest twists and turns on the Low Carbon Building Programme - http://www.naturalchoices.co.uk/Renewable-energy-now-only-for-the?id_mot=2 and I am still angry!

    It seems to me that once again a technocratic, Treasury orientated approach has ruled the day. I think it is fair to say that without clear and well funded Government support the micro-generation industry infrastructure will develop very slowly in the UK.

    This is a huge missed opportunity to develop a new industry sector in the UK. Germany now has a thriving micro-generation industry employing 214,000 people, 24,000 new job created last year alone. It is exactly the high tech, high skills sector the UK should be looking to develop. This Government has given less money to supporting it than to supporting one Japanese car manufacturer setting up a factor in Tony Blair’s Sedgefield constituency.

    I feel like Capt Smithers (Retired) of Tunbridge Wells hammering on in the Telegraphy's letters page

    pete
    • CommentAuthorSolar bore
    • CommentTimeMay 17th 2007
     
    Peter said but who is Peter? see bottom of letter
    I looked at your profile but it does not say anything about you.
    Incidentally how does one set up a profile?

    I as a working man who is actually between jobs now, would like to comment on your article. and the issue.
    In my opinion renewable energy will has up to now been & will remain only for the rich, or extremely fortunate. Mum gave me money to buy solar thermal panel.

    Personnely I think all roofs should be covered with PV panels that are paid for by the power companies / government.

    And instead of giving grants to new build or renovators of buildings.

    We should subsidize the cost of transformers and a couple of panels,
    so everyone who wants Too can start to learn about electricity thus saving themselves money then as they realize how nice it is to produce your own power they will want to buy additional panels and if they have space eventually the equipment to sell back to the grid.
    Only in that way will Micro-gen ever be taken up by the masses.
    Just think of all the jobs that will be created
    Arnold or solarbore

    * Peter_Shield
    I have just finished knock out a piece on the latest twists and turns on the Low Carbon Building Programme - http://www.naturalchoices.co.uk/Renewable-energy-now-only-for-the?id_mot=2 and I am still angry!
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      CommentAuthornigel
    • CommentTimeMay 21st 2007
     
    I have recently been informed that any business installing micro generation such as PV and wind will not be allowed to claim ROCs.

    ROC's are being treated as state aid which is another joke and another nail in the coffin of PV in this country.
   
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