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    • CommentAuthorMike George
    • CommentTimeNov 12th 2007 edited
     
    I came across this today http://www.ubbink.co.uk/roof_build/roof_access/flashings.htm

    Anyone used it or have an opinion about it?
    • CommentAuthorchuckey
    • CommentTimeNov 12th 2007
     
    Perhaps I have missed the point, but I can't see how you can make an abutment flashing over a ridge without relying on the "tape" to keep the water out. I note it is only guaranteed for 30 years this is not a long time in the life of a house roof. I wonder if the manufacturers will be around in 30 years to pay out if it fails.
    Frank
  1.  
    Thought I'd add an up-date to this Ubiflex non-lead flashing thread.

    I'm currently building a house in Chiba, Japan, and earlier this year, 2011, I used the 250mm, B3 thickness, black Ubiflex for a cover flashing over clay tiles.

    On the plus side: it was light, clean to use, cuts easily, and can be dressed and welted as easily - or even more easily - than lead. And, immediately, after installation it looked 'the business' and I was very pleased.

    However, six months (and one summer later) and I'm a bit less impressed. As recommended, to prevent wind lift, I'd glued the edge of the flashing down to the tiles using a continuous bead of 'High Tack' adhesive. Recently from ground level it had appeared as if the adhesive had failed with a small gap (3mm to 5mm) showing between the flashing and the tiles. I went up on the roof to re fix it and was surprised to discover that the underside of the flashing was still very firmly glued to the tiles but that the Ubiflex had begun to de-laminate with the upper layer of bitumen/plastic and embedded aluminum mesh pulling away from the bottom layer of bitumen/plastic material glued to the tiles.

    This problem has only occurred along the southern elevation, so I'm guessing it is caused by high temperatures (Ubiflex literature says that it is fine -20C to +90C). We've had a few hot days (30C plus) so I'm guessing the roof surface must have exceeded the acceptable max temperature.

    Currently it is a little unsightly. if you really take a very close look at the finish of the flashing work, but doesn't seem to have any other performance implications. We've just had typhoon Roke pass over us and there isn't any sign of any further lifting or greater separation between the bitumen/plastic and the mesh or of even the slightest water penetration unto the under felt.

    But still... I'm a bit disappointed overall and, if honest, wish I'd stuck with what I know and used lead.

    Hope this information is of use to anyone considering giving lead flashing alternatives a try.
  2.  
    I've just got delivery of a roll of LACOMET'FL lead alternative from company called Reppel. Not used it yet so can't comment on use, bends well and holds the shape and the literature states stability between -50 and +150C wich seems a bit more reasonable.
  3.  
    I use bitumen bonded with thin copper - the copper is more like incredible tough foil than metal sheet and imprinted with squares so that it bends easily, only slightly less flexible than just 4mm bitumen. Tremendously durable though if you step on a small stone the copper will puncture, but the bitumen is underneath so no problem. It cuts with a knife, you can use a blow torch and blast it (it doesn't burn except at the edges) to make the bitumen fill/seal awkward places and it will stick to itself. It is a problem solver and so easy to use even I can get good results - it is genuinely amazing stuff and about Euros 10 per m2 here. Oh and of course you get the copper ageing colours etc. Don't know if it available in the UK but they don't use lead at all around here now.
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      CommentAuthorJSHarris
    • CommentTimeSep 27th 2011
     
    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: Gotanewlife</cite>I use bitumen bonded with thin copper - the copper is more like incredible tough foil than metal sheet and imprinted with squares so that it bends easily, only slightly less flexible than just 4mm bitumen. Tremendously durable though if you step on a small stone the copper will puncture, but the bitumen is underneath so no problem. It cuts with a knife, you can use a blow torch and blast it (it doesn't burn except at the edges) to make the bitumen fill/seal awkward places and it will stick to itself. It is a problem solver and so easy to use even I can get good results - it is genuinely amazing stuff and about Euros 10 per m2 here. Oh and of course you get the copper ageing colours etc. Don't know if it available in the UK but they don't use lead at all around here now.</blockquote>

    Do you have a trade name for this stuff by any chance, so I can search for possible suppliers here?

    I have a major moss problem on my roof and one fix that I know works very well is to use copper sheet along the ridge. The copper salts that very slowly leach out and run down the roof strongly inhibit moss growth. I can buy shaped copper sheet to fit over the ridge, but it is expensive and not available as a DIY product, AFAIK. This stuff sounds like it might be adapted to do the job, at a reasonable price maybe.
  4.  
    I'll have a look and let you know, be few days so I'll whisper so as not to bring the tread up top again - damn good idea about the moss! Going to stick some on under my ridge line where I get bad lichen.
    • CommentAuthorGotanewlife
    • CommentTimeOct 1st 2011 edited
     
    Some pics below showing what I have done with the stuff. The chimney thing houses an extractor fan, the copper bitumen also covers the wooden removable base of the ali top section. Other photos are of the roll and only info on the roll but no maker, sorry; have to go somewhere else that sells it late next week so will try again.
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeNov 11th 2013 edited
     
    I've just ordered some zinc alloy flashing on a roll and it looks pretty interesting stuff. I'm using it to flash around glazed roof openings and also to create a couple of small secret valley behind a bargeboard.
  5.  
    If it's anything like my stuff you'll never touch lead again!
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeNov 11th 2013
     
    It's German stuff .5mm thick with an adhesive strip on each long side so not sticky all over, which is what I was after.
    • CommentAuthorMikeRumney
    • CommentTimeNov 25th 2013
     
    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: Phil.Chaddah-Duke</cite>I've just got delivery of a roll of LACOMET'FL lead alternative from company called Reppel. Not used it yet so can't comment on use, bends well and holds the shape and the literature states stability between -50 and +150C wich seems a bit more reasonable.</blockquote>

    This is also what we used ... Aluminium with fibreglass type middle layer.
    Not a great colour/lead impersonator but we needed black anyway so out came the rustoleum!
    Also needs to be bonded as very lightweight (making single-handed build feasible).
    Have posted some pics somewhere on here to show need for / possibility of detailed off-roof construction.
    It doesn't have the "stretch" of lead.
    Edges can look a bit thin unless you turn under about 10mm, as we have ......
    (Also used for non-opening window flashing in pic, and adaptation of velux fitted with lower than standard profile.)
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