Home  5  Books  5  GBEzine  5  News  5  HelpDesk  5  Register  5  GreenBuilding.co.uk
Not signed in (Sign In)

Categories



Green Building Bible, Fourth Edition
Green Building Bible, fourth edition (both books)
These two books are the perfect starting place to help you get to grips with one of the most vitally important aspects of our society - our homes and living environment.

PLEASE NOTE: A download link for Volume 1 will be sent to you by email and Volume 2 will be sent to you by post as a book.

Buy individually or both books together. Delivery is free!


powered by Surfing Waves




Vanilla 1.0.3 is a product of Lussumo. More Information: Documentation, Community Support.

Welcome to new Forum Visitors
Join the forum now and benefit from discussions with thousands of other green building fans and discounts on Green Building Press publications: Apply now.




    • CommentAuthornigelm
    • CommentTimeAug 26th 2010
     
    Hi,
    I am looking for suitable floor covering for a limecrete floor, the options so far are

    1. Wood
    2. Limestone tile
    3. Just polish the limecrete

    The flooring needs to be breathable to allow the limecrete to absorb / release water vapour, and I would obviously like to have a natural finish. I am not sure if polishing the limecrete would work and how practical the floor would then be (I do have a vague recollection of a grand design using a lime screed). The Limestone tiles would be nice but again how practical would the tiles be without them being sealed.

    I should say that I am looking for a nice clean contemporary look to the finished floor.

    Any advice / opinion would be most gratefully received.
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeAug 26th 2010
     
    linoleum ?
    • CommentAuthornigelm
    • CommentTimeAug 26th 2010
     
    Thanks Tony,

    Linoleum looks like a good call.
    Are there any maintenence issues that you know of?
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeAug 26th 2010
     
    all floors need maintenance

    Victorians used it some of which is still there and it is making a rightful comeback.
  1.  
    We have had Marmoleum in our kitchen/diner for 10 years.

    Really bullet proof, as long as installed well - levelled floors etc. it's actually very brittle, if you pick up a sheet it can crack but once installed well, great.

    If you will have dining chairs moving on it, put felt pads on the bottom to stop scratching the polish.

    I think the stuff we got had no factory finish, we put Johnson's Clear on now and again. But i seem to recall that the newest stuff has a factory coating of plastic. That, and our polish, will affect breathability.
    Some friends have it in their entrance hall, they never bothered with polish, sweep now and again, looks as good as new. You can get some amazing custom designs done, they cut it with compressed air I think, can look fabulous.

    http://www.forbo-flooring.co.uk/Consumers/Products/Linoleum/


    Peter
    •  
      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeAug 27th 2010
     
    Cob floor tiles - well compacted into a mould 12"sq x 2" thick, the mould sides demountable, carefully turned out to air-dry, not strong to handle but fine and durable once laid well bedded in clay 'mortar'. Soaked in linseed oil when dry, before laying, come up lovely, nice and irregular. Get different coloured clays and use your imagination - every tile a work of art, incorporating different streaks of colour, maybe encaustic/swiss roll/seaside rock-style.
  2.  
    I have a similar requirement. Planning to have a limecrete sublime floor with underfloor heating installed in a conversion project, the building has solid stone rubble walls. 

    looking to avoid the cost of flag stones and not too keen on tiles, I decided to investigate bamboo flooring and as suggested above linoleum. 

    From enquiring to a company about bamboo floorings compatibility with a limecrete floor I received the following response "it does not have a DPM, the screed would have to be dry as the flooring is not waterproof and if any moisture gets under the flooring it will warp the flooring." Seeming ruling that option out.

    From enquiring to a company about Linoleum (specifically Marmoleum) compatibility with a limecrete floor I received this response "Certain sub-floor requirements are needed to make the installation successful, but the product isn’t breathable that is why it is referred too as a resilient floorcovering" Seeming ruling out the use of linoleum.

    The combination of limecete and underfloor heating seem to leave an incredibly narrow choice of floor coverings. I could get around the underfloor heating by going with heated skirting as an alternative. Could anyone suggest flooring options? Taking into consideration both wet and dry rooms. Or failing that any alternatives to a limecrete floor suitable for old stone wall buildings.
    • CommentAuthorEd Davies
    • CommentTimeJun 17th 2014
     
    Any way to seal cork so it's still reasonably vapour open?
    • CommentAuthorbella
    • CommentTimeJun 17th 2014
     
    Old fashioned beeswax furniture polish, put on with a brush then duster polished repeat a few time should do it. I dare say much cheaper oily floor polish would work fine to.

    I have heard that a limecrete screed (?mix) can be mechanically "polished" like concrete but perhaps the "moment" during drying as well as mix has to be just right. 1mx1m experiment required? Again beeswax or floor polish on the surface?
    •  
      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeJun 17th 2014
     
    Posted By: stevethefarmFrom enquiring to a company about bamboo floorings compatibility with a limecrete floor I received the following response "it does not have a DPM, the screed would have to be dry as the flooring is not waterproof and if any moisture gets under the flooring it will warp the flooring." Seeming ruling that option out.

    Hmm, I put bamboo flooring in our last bathroom precisely because it was guaranteed to stand up to humidity and even water on top. Maybe the backing layers are less water friendly? Or maybe different suppliers have different products?
  3.  
    Posted By: djh
    Hmm, I put bamboo flooring in our last bathroom precisely because it was guaranteed to stand up to humidity and even water on top. Maybe the backing layers are less water friendly? Or maybe different suppliers have different products?


    How did your bamboo cope in bathroom conditions?

    I'm not 100% sure the company have any experience with limecrete floors to know they would be problematic, think they just typed limecrete sublime into a search engine saw that it didn't have a DPM and were not prepared to offer any guarantees. In this instance the bamboo was to be strand woven and click fitting.

    Have seen some examples of polished limecrete screeds with decorative aggregates although I think that is quite expensive, as much as laid flagstones per square metre, to get the floor polished. Although obviously gets around both problems of compatibility with underfloor heating and limecrete.
    •  
      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeJun 18th 2014
     
    Posted By: stevethefarmHow did your bamboo cope in bathroom conditions?

    The bamboo was fine. The only criticism was my wife's that it could be slippery, but that's true of many floor types. I've no idea how breathable it was - I think they're mostly made with resins of one kind or another.
  4.  
    Have just been suggested brick flooring, anyone know how breathable brick is (i assume a specific type would needed?) and the relative cost?
    •  
      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeJul 3rd 2014
     
    Posted By: stevethefarmHave just been suggested brick flooring, anyone know how breathable brick is

    Most bricks allow both water and air through. Engineering bricks are impermeable.
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeJul 3rd 2014
     
    Lime beaded and pointed would breathe moisture, hate it when floors are draughty
  5.  
    I'm pondering the same issue - I've laid a hempcrete slab sub-floor, and plan to put underfloor heating on it. My original idea was a 50mm lime screed topped with 25mm clay pammets, laid at the same time (ie. a one-pass job, where the clay tiles are bedded on the screed at the time of screed installation).

    I'm now at the point of needing to buy the materials and wondering if there is a cheaper, possibly temporary (as in 2-3 years) alternative I could consider.

    I've been warned off polishing the lime screed as it cuts down the breathability to a degree that isn't great for the hempcrete, so I'm pondering a simple earth floor, or lime screed with rugs on for now (& maybe take them up and hang them at night, when I go to sleep).

    I am drawn to the idea of homemade clay pammets, as suggested by fostertom, but reckon the cost of the clay would work out more than buying the pammets from Norfolk (I'm in inner city Bristol, with tiny yards and no locals digging out huge footings etc). It's a shame I can't find any pammets more locally, as the clay here is great & traditionally they were made here (although called something else - pammets / pamments is an East Anglian term, I understand) but that's the way of things for now I guess.

    So, earth floor with a light wax / oil seal or a lime screed with rugs for now are looking favoured for now. Any encouragement / cautions / ideas?
  6.  
    Update: have spoken to Mike Wye Assocs today and again had generous & helpful advice, and reassurance from Matt that the lime screed will be fine, with care, for a period of time until I can afford to tile it. Not only that, he gave technical advice on mixes, methods and things to avoid.

    My next stop will probably be Jerry Sharpe, to ask the same re: earthern floors and maybe a visit to his B&B to see his kitchen earthern floor in situ (& after some time). I'll update.
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2014
     
  7.  
    Just like those. There is also Norfolk Pamments http://www.pamments.co.uk/ who do seconds. I have samples of each but can't remember which it was that seemed a better-made product!
    •  
      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2014
     
    Posted By: slowbuildingI've been warned off polishing the lime screed as it cuts down the breathability

    I'm intrigued by that as it isn't something I've come across. Do you have any details?

    So, earth floor with a light wax / oil seal or a lime screed

    I don't understand what benefit you would look for from putting earth over a lime screed?

    What's under the hempcrete by the way?
  8.  
    Ah no, it's either an earth floor OR a lime screed, not both. Each are different options to go on top of the ufh pipes to cover them and to provide mass and a top surface.

    Foamglass under the hempcrete - build up gets me to slightly better than u-value of 0.25 for regs ('new build in existing building')
Add your comments

    Username Password
  • Format comments as
 
   
The Ecobuilding Buzz
Site Map    |   Home    |   View Cart    |   Pressroom   |   Business   |   Links   
Logout    

© Green Building Press