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Posted By: fostertomOne of the biggest advantages of electricity-borne energy is that its output can be at any temperature you like. Whereas the output temperature of air- or water-borne energy-transmission systems (or any other relying on the movement of heated material) is limited to something less than the input temperature, unless 'pumped up' by a heat pump.
Posted By: fostertomNigel, what you say about collection efficiency and the resultant energy presently available, I believe is right - but that doesn't contradict what I said. I'm talking about the temperature at which whatever energy is collected can be outputted, regardless of whether that energy is a lot or a little after collection efficiency has had its effect,.
Posted By: nigelAnd why is the output temperature relevant?
Posted By: fostertomE.g. on a not-so-sunny day, glycol flow temp from a wet panel is only medium (say 60oC) and can only heat the storage tank up to a less-than-medium temperature (say 55oC), however long you wait, regardless of any surplus collection potential that the tank becomes incapable of absorbing (incapable because delta-t between the stored water temp and the glycol temp drops to only a few degrees (60-55=5oC), as stored water temp creeps up to almost-glycol temp - rate of heat transfer is proportional to delta-t so diminishes to almost nothing). Whereas an immersion heater powered from a PV source can be configured to run any desired temperature (say 150oC), so the stored water can eventually reach say 95oC, as fast as the PV can collect energy, of which it readily absorb all (readily because delta-t between the stored water and the immersion heater remains high (150-95=55oC), even when the stored water approaches its max temp).PS I've edited my quote for clarity.
Posted By: nigelwhy do you need water above 60oC ?....ever heard of a pv hot water system?Agreed wet panels are currently ideal for domestic hw, inexpensive, mature, good payback. Collection efficiency is OK because, not requiring very hot stored water, delta t is adequate, creating adequate rate of heat transfer. For just that, for now, look no further (and swimming pools - even higher efficiency because larger delta t)
Posted By: nigeldont tell me that there is suddenly going to be a seachange in pv efficiencyEfficiency's creeping up all the time, 2 generations of new technologies in the pipeline, foolish to say there won't be more, plus things like http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.07/solar.html increase overall system efficience, or at least energy density. I also said why cost will fall exponentially, 6 posts back. And that other fuel prices will rise sharply, making PV look cheap (along with other renewables).
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