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    • CommentAuthorHOWARDJ
    • CommentTimeAug 31st 2012 edited
     
    Very interested in using one of these products to build a 1.5 PH.

    I like the thermal mass they provide and also the speed of construction possible with the thin bed system.

    Haven't done a proper design yet but am thinking along the lines of a 365mm block + EWI+ breathable render.

    Has any one any experience of using either of these products

    http://www.natural-building.co.uk/PDF/Thermoplan-Ziegel/NBT-ThermoPlan-Specifications-2011.pdf

    http://www.ecobuild.co.uk/var/uploads/exhibitor/1961/6zgsc5ijwl.pdf


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    Howard.
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeSep 1st 2012
     
    I could never understand why they haven't really caught on in the UK. They have been used in Germany for decades. Building is quick, they have good load bearing qualities, and the only reason I can think of why they are not more commonplace is IMO our love of cavity wall construction, with a brick finish.
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    Wot owlman said.
    They are extensively used here as well. The only problem I have found is fixing things to the wall as the cavities in the blocks don't hold plugs very well. The easiest solution to this that I have found is to used much longer screws so that several cavities are bridged by the fixing.
    The T and G type are particularly quick as no mortar is used between the blocks in a row, although I have seen the flat sided blocks used without mortar between adjacent blocks
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      CommentAuthorDaren
    • CommentTimeSep 2nd 2012
     
    HowardJ

    I have looked into these some years ago and they were quite expensive.

    I discussed them with NBT last week, and they are hoping to bring the costs down when they manage to get a UK production plant online. This is unlikely to occur until the end of 2013 at the earliest.
    • CommentAuthorHOWARDJ
    • CommentTimeSep 2nd 2012
     
    Daren

    Knew they are expensive.I've just asked for a price ,interesting to see what they quote.

    Are they worth it?
    Must make airtightness and moisture easier to control I would have thought!

    Peter

    Thanks for the tip re fixings.

    Howard.
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    When comparing prices don't forget the much reduced labour cost between the UK convention of cavity wall and the cost of putting up the porotherm blocks.
    As a thought from your first post above if you are planning PH or near that, then the porotherm as you suggest will need EWI to get to the insulation level required, would it be possible to use solid blocks say 180 or 200 thick (what ever the building regs demand for structural stability) plus EWI to the required level of insulation. This I would have thought would be much cheaper than porotherm.
    The advantage of porotherm type blocks is
    1 the insulation value due to their construction method (air spaces plus length of heat path)
    2 speed and ease of building.
    If the porotherm don't give the insulation needed and extra EWI is required then why pay for that (expensive) insulation feature when solid blocks plus a bit thicker EWI will do the same thing.
    • CommentAuthorHOWARDJ
    • CommentTimeSep 2nd 2012
     
    Peter
    A very valid point. Will have to investigate further.

    Do like the speed of construction for clay blocks though.Also they don't need to dry out.

    Howard
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeSep 2nd 2012
     
    Posted By: HOWARDJDo like the speed of construction for clay blocks though.Also they don't need to dry out.

    Not my area of interest at all. But google for "thin joint blocks" shows there are several other types of block that may offer speed and quick-drying joints. No idea about price.
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