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  1.  
    Just got an OWL whole house electricity monitor through a local community initiative where you upload and compare. The project leaders seem to get 'vampire' use of about 0.05kw or less and I can't get ours below 0.16, even with fridge and freezers temporarily off.
    By playing around with the fuse box, there seem to be several areas using 0.03-0.05kw when I wouldn't expect it - any suggestions why?
    1) Mains linked smoke alarm (one unit on each of three floors)
    2) 'Water heater' marked on fuse - seems to be gas boiler with timer controls and controls for solar thermal. All switched off on the controller except solar thermal, and tested when solar thermal pump not running.
    3) Supply for office at the end of the garden and garden shed. Still giving 0.03 even with night storage heaters switched off at their fuse switches.
    Any ideas why and suggestions what to do about it gratefully received!
    Claire
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      CommentAuthorDamonHD
    • CommentTimeJun 4th 2012
     
    First thing to note is that OWL-type meters are not terribly accurate especially with 'strange'/electronic loads.

    1) I can imagine that either those smoke alarms may be inefficient vampires, or that the meter is reading their consumption far too high. Up to 3-fold would not astonish me.

    2) Again, those controls may not be optimised for efficiency, or they may be OK with the meter reading far too high.

    3) With your office at the end of the garden: is it on an earth-leakage circuit breaker? If not, it probably should be for safety. If so, does it trip out frequently? What I'm getting at is possible genuine leakage from damp or similar.

    For any of these are they plugged in such that you could temporarily plug them in via a potentially far more accurate 'Kill-a-Watt' style meter, possibly borrowed from your local library for free?

    Rgds

    Damon
    • CommentAuthorGaryB
    • CommentTimeJun 4th 2012 edited
     
    Claire

    I can't get lower than 0.085 kW msyself and have been round all plug-in devices with a kill-a-meter type device, so am down to fixed wired items.

    The smoke alarm consumption may be down to transformer (in)efficiency, no idea for the other two. I haven't checked my own solar controller yet but will do so.

    A couple of hidden ones I found, all 1-3 Watts:

    RCD devices
    Touch dimming lights - may also apply to standard dimmer switches
    TV aerial booster (3W)

    I take it you don't have MVHR?
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeJun 4th 2012
     
    Agree with Damon
    You can, once established what it is reading when no current is drawn (except its own current), use that as an offset and minus the figure in a spreadsheet.
    I use a CurrentCost device and it has a Phantom reading of 144W on one circuit when another circuit kicks in. Very annoying as it can show that there is a parasitic load of that amount when the storage heaters are off.

    Good for getting an idea about what is going on though.
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      CommentAuthorJSHarris
    • CommentTimeJun 4th 2012
     
    The problem is primarily to do with the method used for current/voltage sensing in these whole house supply monitors, or more precisely the conversion of the analogue values of current and voltage that are measured at the supply to a digital format that can be used by the device/system.

    Typically these devices will have a 10 bit resolution, so if they are scaled for the maximum that a domestic installation can consume on a normal single phase supply (typically 23 kVA for a standard 100 A connection) then about 23 kW will give a value of 1023 (1111111111 in binary, ten bits). This means that one bit will have a value of 23 kW/1023 = 22.5 W.

    The process of digitising signals has an inherent error that comes in two forms, an offset error that is usually more or less constant, but which may drift with temperature and time slightly and might typically be around +/- one or two least significant bits, and a quantisation error that is typically +/- 1 least significant bit.

    In simple terms this means you could have a variation of +/- 22.5 W from quantisation noise, plus an offset that might well be around +/- 22.5 to 45 W. The total error is likely to have a more or less fixed component around this latter value, together with a fairly random variation of around +/- 22.5 W or so.

    Overall, I'd not want to quote accuracy of better than +/- 67.5 W for a ten bit system measuring at the supply input to the house.

    If you scale the measurement system down for a plug-based system, then the errors should be reduced by about a factor of 7.7 (assuming the same ten bit measurement system), as the maximum could be scaled to be the maximum you can draw from a 13 A outlet, which is just under 3 kW.
  2.  
    Thanks all!
    The OWL has now stopped reading at all, so it's lost further credibility since I posted.
    To answer the queries -
    Damon: we'll look into what kind of circuit breaker there is, but it's never tripped. It was done about 10 years ago and seemed quite a good job, but you never know. The problem areas are all wired in, so unfortunately a Kill-a-Watt wouldn't help.
    GaryB: No MVHR :( Our proposed Passivhaus is still mired in planning dispute with neighbours.
    SteamyTea: It's battery powered and reads 0.00 when I put off the main fuse switch so I think it's accurate there.
    I'll go back to trying to get it to work at all, shortly.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeJun 4th 2012
     
    Numbers work for me every time :bigsmile:
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      CommentAuthorDamonHD
    • CommentTimeJun 4th 2012 edited
     
    JSH: I assume that the biggest errors from OWL-et-al are more to do with assuming (a) a particular RMS voltage because it isn't actually measured and (b) assuming that it's in phase with the current that *is* measured which for much non-linear electronic gear just ain't so.

    But I agree that quantisation errors will hurt too.

    Rgds

    Damon
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      CommentAuthorJSHarris
    • CommentTimeJun 4th 2012 edited
     
    All that pulling the main fuse does is get the thing to auto-zero, I suspect, so you may well still have an offset, plus you'll definitely have the quantisation error, once the thing sees a current over the auto-zero threshold.
    • CommentAuthorEd Davies
    • CommentTimeJun 4th 2012 edited
     
    Posted By: DamonHDJSH: I assumed that the biggest errors from OWL-et-al are more to do with assuming (a) a particular RMS voltage because it isn't actually measured and (b) assuming that it's in phase with the current that *is* measured.


    ...and (c) assuming that the consumed current is a sine wave which it's very likely not with a cheapo switching power supply which is not fully loaded (e.g., phone charger plugged into phone which is charged). Possibly the same for Claire's smoke alarms.
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      CommentAuthorJSHarris
    • CommentTimeJun 4th 2012 edited
     
    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: DamonHD</cite>JSH: I assume that the biggest errors from OWL-et-al are more to do with assuming (a) a particular RMS voltage because it isn't actually measured and (b) assuming that it's in phase with the current that *is* measured which for much non-linear electronic gear just ain't so.

    But I agree that quantisation errors will hurt too.

    Rgds

    Damon</blockquote>

    You're right, I've just checked the specs for it and see that it doesn't measure voltage at all, so has a much bigger absolute error of around +/-4% (!) or more from not knowing the input voltage. I'd assumed it measured input voltage and phase (as well as current and phase), but it seems it doesn't.

    The PF errors will also be large, depending on which loads are on at the time, and could easily cause misreadings of a several percent.

    see from the spec that the OWL only measures up to 71 A, not the full 100 A I'd assumed, bringing the measurement errors down to around +/- 16 W for quantisation plus around +/- 16 to 32 W for drift and offset.

    Both these errors are lost in the noise when compared to the +/- 600 W or more voltage variation error, plus at least the same again from PF error.

    Comparing readings from one system to another is bound to be fraught, as one user could be at the end of a cable and be on the supply minimum voltage, whilst another could be right next to a sub-station and on the supply maximum voltage. Also one user could be running loads with a PF of maybe 0.8, whilst another may be running loads with a PF of around 1, leading to another massive error in the reading.

    Overall, these devices are OK for comparing differences in consumption within a single house, to indicate which appliances might be consuming more power than desired, but they are seemingly pretty useless for comparing consumption between houses, because of the very large potential errors.
  3.  
    OWL has woken up again now, while I was doing something else (putting up gazebo for Jubilee street party)
    This has gotten a bit beyond my technical competence, but I think the message is to manage my expectations of the gadget and not worry too much about what are probably false readings?
    JSH - a) Am I understanding right that the quantisation errors would be random noise, so if something is consistant it probably isn't that?
    b) If the device is battery powered, how would it know to auto-zero when the current it is reading is switched off? That's probably still too technical; I just need to know that it will do it.
    • CommentAuthorrhamdu
    • CommentTimeJun 4th 2012
     
    Posted By: JSHarrisI've just checked the specs for it and see that it doesn't measure voltage at all,


    Most of the monitors I have seen have a clamp which fits around one of the meter tails. That will measure current only. You can't get a voltage measurement without a direct connection to the mains.

    This has two major consequences:
    (1) the device has to use an assumed voltage value of (presumably) 230V.
    (2) it cannot detect phase differences between current and voltage, so it cannot allow for power factors less than 1.

    The second of these is more likely to lead to vampire readings, because transformers in shaver sockets etc may still draw significant current while consuming very little power.

    If you are right about the ten-bit resolution, Jeremy, that's pretty depressing. You could suspect something of the sort if a monitor frequently read (say) 23W, 46W and 69W but never anything in between. Does anyone know a monitor which definitely has higher resolution than ten bits?
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      CommentAuthorJSHarris
    • CommentTimeJun 4th 2012
     
    If I were designing one of these things, and prepared to accept that there was an inherent large error from not measuring voltage or PF, then I wouldn't bother to make the resolution of the measurement system much better than the overall accuracy that results from the limitations inherent in the chosen measurement method.

    The basic error budget gives the following figures:

    1) Voltage error = +10% -6% (based on the allowable limits either side of the nominal 230 V UK mains supply voltage). For a domestic supply with the OWL quoted maximum current of 71 A, this gives a power error at unity PF of +1,633 W to -980 W

    2) Power Factor error. Assuming that the house has an overall PF of around 0.9 (good, but perhaps not untypical - a pretty well-balanced house might get a PF of around 0.95) then measuring just current would give a further error of around +10%

    The built-in error budget (as a result of the chosen measurement method) gives a total error of around +20% to +4%. If we assume that the designers of the OWL have corrected out the fixed PF offset of around +10%, assuming that the PF will be around 0.9 (which would seem the sensible thing to do) then we're left with the voltage error plus any PF error from the house PF being greater or less than 0.9.

    If we assume that we need to measure to a resolution that's ten times better than the notional accuracy (which seems reasonable) then we need a measurement resolution of better than about 100 W (assuming we use the lower of the two voltage error figures).

    There are large numbers of microcontrollers around with built in 10 bit analogue to digital converters, in fact there are very few around that are better than this at the affordable end; 12 bit devices tend to be a fair bit more expensive, and have more demanding power supply requirements, so aren't very common. As it happens, 10 bits is more than good enough, as it can resolve differences that are far, far smaller than the likely error.

    There's no point in using a better measurement resolution with the chosen measurement method, this would only make sense if the system used voltage measurement and did true RMS power measurement, allowing for power factor errors.
    • CommentAuthorEd Davies
    • CommentTimeJun 4th 2012
     
    Posted By: rhamduIf you are right about the ten-bit resolution, Jeremy, that's pretty depressing. You could suspect something of the sort if a monitor frequently read (say) 23W, 46W and 69W but never anything in between. Does anyone know a monitor which definitely has higher resolution than ten bits?


    I doubt it's that simple. I have a CurrentCost meter which gives a resolution of 1 watt (e.g., I just saw it change from 164 W to 163 W). That'll probably be the average of a number of measurements over at least a few mains cycles, though, so even if it has a pretty poor resolution for each individual measurement the overall resolution well effectively be much higher. 10-bit sounds plausible but I wouldn't be completely stunned if it was even less.

    It's also possible they have a programmable gain amplifier on the front of the ADC so the resolution at low power is better than at high power.

    My impression before was that the reading is the average over a full 6 second measurement cycle but I just experimented with switching a 2 kW heater on and off and it seems the measurement period is much shorter. E.g., timing to switch about 3 seconds after a previous update doesn't get a 50% change for the next reading (as I previously thought I'd seen, maybe I just happened to switch something once during the short measurement period). That sort of makes sense — the sensor runs off batteries so needs to sleep quite a bit if they're to last at all.
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      CommentAuthorJSHarris
    • CommentTimeJun 4th 2012 edited
     
    My guess is that they over-sample and average (it's what I'd do). This can increase the apparent resolution, depending on how you choose to do it, and so mask the true resolution of the A-D conversion. They may even do some fancy digital filtering to get a more display-friendly apparent resolution.
  4.  
    I noticed something like that(step wise increments) with one I had before, which was also much more awkward to use as it needed mains for the display. This one seems to have 0.01kw resolution as it reads 0.02, 0.03, 0.04 at different times.
    • CommentAuthorSeret
    • CommentTimeJun 4th 2012
     
    I've got an OWL and find it pretty wildly inaccurate, especially below about 200-300W. It's going to be getting replaced soon, as it's also not able to detect exported power. Still been quite a handy gizmo, as it'll still detect things like the wife leaving heaters on when they shouldn't be. Pretty hard to miss an extra 2kW of juice getting slurped.
    • CommentAuthorGaryB
    • CommentTimeJun 4th 2012
     
    I just checked my Owl readings vs actual electricity meter readings for the past month and the Owl consistently overestimates by 11%, or 0.9 kWh per day.
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      CommentAuthorJSHarris
    • CommentTimeJun 4th 2012 edited
     
    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: yclairejenkins</cite>I noticed something like that(step wise increments) with one I had before, which was also much more awkward to use as it needed mains for the display. This one seems to have 0.01kw resolution as it reads 0.02, 0.03, 0.04 at different times.</blockquote>

    My guess is that what it does is over-sample (basically it'll take maybe 50 samples, then divide by 50 to get the average) and then round the result to the nearest 10 W for the display.

    I do something similar with the temperature/humidity logger I've built to convert temperature readings with a true resolution of 0.0625 deg C to one with a resolution of 0.1 deg C, by rounding up or down as required (i.e. if the true reading is 21.125 deg C the logger rounds down to 21.1 deg C, if the true reading is 21.1875 deg C the logger rounds up to 21.2 deg C.

    Worth remembering that resolution (the apparent accuracy displayed in terms of minimum step size) is often significantly different to true accuracy.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeJun 4th 2012
     
    I think Skywright worked out out that the Current Cost device over estimates about 15%.
    I have a load of logged data from mine that I must sort, can compare that to the meter readings then.
  5.  
    The building at the end of the garden doesn't seem to have any RCD on its fusebox. If it continues to give a reading with everything switched off, perhaps we should get an electrician to look at it.
    I guess the smoke alarms and boiler controls, etc, we will just live with.
    • CommentAuthorJohn B
    • CommentTimeJun 5th 2012
     
    I've got an nPower branded monitor, and in the last 13 days, it's recorded usage of 74.95kWh, while the electricity meter has recorded 58kWh, so accuracy isn't one it's strong points!
    • CommentAuthorskyewright
    • CommentTimeJun 5th 2012 edited
     
    Posted By: SteamyTeaI think Skywright worked out out that the Current Cost device over estimates about 15%.

    Yes, that's what I find, with our particular local combination of typical daily loads and mains voltages and looking at daily readings.

    The overnight usage suggested by the CurrentCost is around 150% of (my best assessment of) actual. I spent quite a lot of time trying to find that extra 50% vampire load before coming to the conclusion that it was a phantom not a vampire! :wink:

    N.B. The above applies to "normal" mixed domestic loads. When monitoring pure restive loads (i.e. our storage heaters) I find that the CurrentCost under reports.
    • CommentAuthorrhamdu
    • CommentTimeJun 5th 2012
     
    Posted By: JSHarrisIf I were designing one of these things, and prepared to accept that there was an inherent large error from not measuring voltage or PF, then I wouldn't bother to make the resolution of the measurement system much better than the overall accuracy that results from the limitations inherent in the chosen measurement method.


    The problem people are having is that their monitors appear to be making perhaps a 20W error when measuring 1W. That is unsatisfactory, and it can't be explained away by the failure to measure voltage or power factor.

    Also, I agree that it's sensible to design a monitor so that it measures a rolling average of several samples. But that can't account for sustained high readings when 'everything is switched off'.

    I'm driven to conclude that these monitors are not really fit for purpose - given that one of their main purposes is to help consumers to track down small, continuous power drains.
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      CommentAuthorDamonHD
    • CommentTimeJun 5th 2012
     
    Really I think they are more so that people can see what a bad idea leaving 10 halogen lights on 24x7 is, ie the first 90% of the waste, not the last few Watts.

    I think they're fine for that purpose.

    Rgds

    Damon
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      CommentAuthorJSHarris
    • CommentTimeJun 5th 2012
     
    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: rhamdu</cite>

    The problem people are having is that their monitors appear to be making perhaps a 20W error when measuring 1W. That is unsatisfactory, and it can't be explained away by the failure to measure voltage or power factor.

    Also, I agree that it's sensible to design a monitor so that it measures a rolling average of several samples. But that can't account for sustained high readings when 'everything is switched off'.

    I'm driven to conclude that these monitors are not really fit for purpose - given that one of their main purposes is to help consumers to track down small, continuous power drains.</blockquote>

    The big error problem at small readings is a direct consequence of the false resolution/accuracy impression that the chosen measurement technique gives. It's really a marketing ploy, I believe, they can produce something that gives a false illusion of accuracy by using over-sampling (over sampling isn't, strictly speaking, a rolling average, as it allows the apparent resolution to be greater than the true resolution).

    The sustained high average is a direct consequence of the assumption made that the PF will be "average" (probably about 0.9) together with the assumption that the supply voltage will be 230 V. If you have a house with a better power factor, or a worse power factor, then you'll get an offset. The same goes for supply voltage, if you are at the end of a long cable from the sub-station then you could be getting just over 216 V, if you're right next to a sub-station you could be getting about 253 V, but the unit will assume you're only getting 230 V.

    You're right, they aren't fit for purpose, but they cleverly include an accuracy disclaimer in the description, so they can't be held liable.

    If you want a fairly accurate way to measure consumption, then a simple optical sensor fitted to the LED of a newer type of electricity meter will give a pretty good reading. Electricity meters are power factor and voltage corrected, so give a fairly accurate representation of the true power consumed.
    • CommentAuthorGaryB
    • CommentTimeJun 5th 2012 edited
     
    The over-reading of the small loads did encourage me to track them down using a plug-in meter. I found quite a number of 1W to 7W 'standby' loads which were subsequently dealt with.

    Perhaps if they had been accurately displayed I wouldn't have gone looking for them and therefore would not have found them...

    The worst offender BTW was the Sky box which draws 13W - 15W when on 'auto standby' which in my opinion is a disgrace for a piece of modern equipment. Changing from Sky Plus to Sky HD+ made little difference.

    I eventually found out that if you hold down the 'off' button on the remote control the box can go into proper standby <1W and the light turns red. If the light on the box is amber it's wasting energy. Manufacturers please wake up!

    I have mine on a timer which shuts it off overnight just in case.
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      CommentAuthorDamonHD
    • CommentTimeJun 5th 2012
     
    ...though of course what we *should* possibly be charged for is yet a third quantity, taking account of power factor as larger users have to (or pay for), since it does otherwise represent a loss in distribution...

    Rgds

    Damon
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      CommentAuthorJSHarris
    • CommentTimeJun 5th 2012
     
    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: DamonHD</cite>...though of course what we *should* possibly be charged for is yet a third quantity, taking account of power factor as larger users have to (or pay for), since it does otherwise represent a loss in distribution...

    Rgds

    Damon</blockquote>

    I agree, but as I understand it new houses may be penalised if the have a PF of less than 0.95. Quite how this will be enforced through life remains to be seen.

    The assumption that's been made up till now is that the domestic sector PF would average out over the local phase loop (the houses connected to a single phase from the sub-station), on the basis that the current returned to the network by some houses will be utilised by other houses, and the resulting lagging/leading PFs will cancel. I suspect that with the widespread adoption of switched mode power supplies for everything from washing machines to computers and TVs this assumption is now deeply flawed. The widespread use of CFLs (and maybe LEDs) with switched mode supplies adds to the problem.
   
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