Data and monitoring: Does anyone use the GBF Community on imeasure?

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- CommentAuthordocmartin
- CommentTimeJan 11th 2012 edited
Although the recent changes to imeasure have enabled access to much more data, the GBF Community seems to serve little purpose in comparison with our old Carbon Club.
The number of members submitting data in the last 4 weeks is low at 28.57% (previously 33%); the old Carbon Club did have up to 50% submitting data but one could see the bar graphs and CO2 per head for each household. This sort of comparison is not available now and the aggregrate data seems seriously flawed. For the whole of Imeasure the typical annual energy use (kWh/person/year) is 13812kWh for electricity and 7869kWh for gas - which seems wrong.
I have also noticed a discrepancy in totol kWh of annual gas used; for 2011 I recorded 10703kWh but i measure assessed me at 9860kWh pa ( I use 31.6kWh for 100ft3 of gas and 11.36kWh pm3).
When contacted, Alex on Imeasure replied " It looks like we use 30.1kWh per 100ft3 and 10.8 per m3. There could be some discrepancy due to whether you count 265 days or 52 weeks though I am sure these are all accounted for.
The typical energy use is based on the data of all users in iMeasure and there are some errors in some users accounts which have caused these much higher than realistic calculations. It is something we know about and we hope to have a fix for it soon, but as iMeasure is a free service we have very little development resources."
- CommentAuthorDamonHD
- CommentTimeJan 11th 2012
I still use imeasure and its trend lines. I now also use smeasure for my daughter's school.

The league table was one of its most valuable and often motivating features and I'd like it back.

The effect of the kWh/m^3 is significant: I use 11.1 and get slightly different numbers to imeasure and the Climate Change Cup sites. That doesn't alter the broad value of them all as I can see my consumption dropping each year and against HDD.

Rgds

Damon
- CommentAuthorRobinB
- CommentTimeJan 11th 2012
I'm in it but missed reading the meter this week.
- CommentAuthorDamonHD
- CommentTimeJan 11th 2012
Shame on you! To the Gallows! %-P

Rgds

Damon
- CommentAuthorRobinB
- CommentTimeJan 11th 2012
I'm in another country.
- CommentAuthorDamonHD
- CommentTimeJan 11th 2012
Still a weak excuse IMHO! B^>

Rgds

Damon
- CommentAuthorRobL
- CommentTimeJan 11th 2012
I did join imeasure some time ago, and tried to join gbf community. Nothing seemed to come of it, and it was a bit boring entering data with no comparisons. I tend to log in excell, and you can easily save .csv and bulk upload to imeasure from there.
I've just logged in again, and it still just says "membership status requested". I feel a little snubbed :-(
- CommentAuthordocmartin
- CommentTimeJan 11th 2012
RobL,
did you agree to the new terms and conditions a little while back? If not you are probably denied access.
Damon expressed his views to imeasure, at the time; I also wrote in support. They made some changes and issued reassurance so most of us signed up to the new terms.
- CommentAuthorDamonHD
- CommentTimeJan 12th 2012
RobL: you're welcome to join my "Zero" group and I promise to let you in by way of a group hug! Not much to see in there until the league tables reappear other than my raw data (and one other house) exposed for the world to see.

Rgds

Damon
- CommentAuthorRobL
- CommentTimeJan 12th 2012
New T&C ? Maybe, but I can't find anything to click anywhere. I think I originally joined a year ago, then finally loaded up data 3 months ago(worked) and tried to join GBF community (hasn't worked).
Are the T&C on the imeasure or GBF website ?

Nb: thanks Damon - Have tried to join "zero" too. I am a bit worried now that our house isn't "zero". It is my ambition though.

Nbb: Piccy of gas used over last 5 years attached. 1963 house, 4 bed, 2 adults+2kids. I think we used ~18MWh/year when we moved in, dropped to 15MWh/year with cavity wall insul. This year am aiming for 7MWhr/year.
- GasUsed_RobL.jpg
- CommentAuthorRobinB
- CommentTimeJan 13th 2012
Shamed into measuring the meter today....
- CommentAuthorRobinB
- CommentTimeJan 13th 2012 edited
....no didn't measure it just read it and put it on imeasure. Also sent Alex an Imeasure an email to see if I could put negative meter readings or record the new PV in some way and suggested they reinstate the score chart.

Hope that's ok with you Damon
- CommentAuthorDamonHD
- CommentTimeJan 13th 2012
All good.

Rgds

Damon
- CommentAuthorDamonHD
- CommentTimeJan 16th 2012
As an aside, a little example of how this stuff can work well. Over the last two weeks I noticed gas use at school well above the amount projected by smeasure (measure's commercial cousin) allowing for the weather and alerted the bursar and building manager.

Turns out that there was a boiler fault causing it to run 24x7. It was costing them Â£n00 per week over my expectations and the repair is Â£1000, so the calculus is very obvious to fix it ASAP.

The building manager spotted the chimney belching steam at the weekend: I'm hoping that my numbers may have helped pinpoint the issue sooner!

Rgds

Damon
- CommentAuthorjms452
- CommentTimeJun 25th 2012
Posted By: RobLI did join imeasure some time ago, and tried to join gbf community. Nothing seemed to come of it, and it was a bit boring entering data with no comparisons. I tend to log in excell, and you can easily save .csv and bulk upload to imeasure from there.
I've just logged in again, and it still just says "membership status requested". I feel a little snubbed :-(

ditto

Can the owner of GBF imeassure accept new members or should we set up a rival GBF-X imeasure community

I will apply to be bottom of your Zero group Damon - there seemed to be no community search and given they are in alphabetical order I got bored well before Z!
- CommentAuthorSeret
- CommentTimeJun 25th 2012
Posted By: jms452
Can the owner of GBF imeassure accept new members

I applied yonks ago and it's still pending, so it seems like the group admin has got bored and wandered off.
- CommentAuthornbwilding
- CommentTimeJun 25th 2012 edited
I applied yonks ago and it's still pending, so it seems like the group admin has got bored and wandered off.

Same here. Bit disappointing.
- CommentAuthorjamesingram
- CommentTimeJun 25th 2012 edited
stick your imeasure kWh weekly usage here for comparative discussion
http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/forum114/comments.php?DiscussionID=8966&page=1
- CommentAuthorDamonHD
- CommentTimeJun 25th 2012
Well, everyone's welcome to join "Zero" and you can prod me here if I don't let you in quickly: I don't seem to be getting email notifications of new attempts to join for example.

(Scurrying off to check "Zero" right now...)

Rgds

Damon
- CommentAuthorDamonHD
- CommentTimeJun 25th 2012
Right, let two of you in just now!

Rgds

Damon
- CommentAuthorjamesingram
- CommentTimeJun 25th 2012
Zero?
- CommentAuthorSeret
- CommentTimeJun 25th 2012
Posted By: DamonHDWell, everyone's welcome to join "Zero" and you can prod me here if I don't let you in quickly

Done, although "zero" would be something of a misnomer when applied to my gaff. If you like I could toddler off and start my own group called "very large positive integer" or something equally catchy.
- CommentAuthorDamonHD
- CommentTimeJun 26th 2012 edited
Well, imeasure won't even acknowledge my gaff as "zero" since it does not account for microgeneration, so we're all in it together, or something!

Rgds

Damon
- CommentAuthorjms452
- CommentTimeJun 26th 2012
Posted By: DamonHD
The league table was one of its most valuable and often motivating features and I'd like it back.
Damon

just emailed support & alex to add my voice too:

Dear imeasure,

I have recently signed up to imeasure as I think that it has the potential to be a great project, and I'd love to contribute to your research whilst hopefully lowering my energy usage in the process.

However one of the reasons I signed up was to: 'compare and compete with others' (quote from the front page of your website) and even as part of imeasure communities this functionality seems non-existent.

While I hope to persevere (for the degree day analysis) I feel that it is the competitive/comparative/social element that will keep imeasure members returning week after week and so generating the high quality data most useful for your research.

Do you have any plans to add a competitive/comparative element to imeasure or failing this to remove the 'compare and compete with others' bullet point from the front page of you website?

Best regards

jms452
- CommentAuthorRobinB
- CommentTimeJun 26th 2012
I have a feeling Alex may have moved on - imeasure weekly reminder is now longer signed by him.
The "compare and compete" was one of the best features, although it's still worth doing to compare our house year on year and compare actual v. expected consumptions using their weather data. Though I too have mucked my data up by installing PV last December. I'm manually adding our PV generation week by week but it's obviously not reflected in our charts.
- CommentAuthorjms452
- CommentTimeJun 26th 2012
fairly promising imeasure response:

Thanks for your email and comments.

We have much development work planned for the next 3 months and certainly the competition element will be introduced. Please persevere and we hope the new development will meet with your expectations.

Occasionally we are not able to introduce new elements as quickly as we would like due to resources, but I can assure you it is in hand and we hope to introduce as soon as we can.
- CommentAuthorDamonHD
- CommentTimeJun 26th 2012
Ah ha! Good!

Rgds

Damon
- CommentAuthorjms452
- CommentTimeApr 24th 2013
imeasure have recently emailed a survey including questions on what features you would like to see added (reinstated) as they appear to have some resource to implement them now!

If you have an imeasure account, dig out the survey and fill it in then maybe we will have a more user friendly compare and compete element in a month or three.
- CommentAuthorRobinB
- CommentTimeApr 25th 2013
Done, the survey appeared to be from East Anglia, maybe they're taking over from Oxford? It has had some rather unbelievable results recently. e.g. Fuel use down year on year but dived from A to C as we went into the new tax year - and still a C this week. Even more bizarre as weather-compensated fuel use was 43% below predicted.

I'd just started a community for people I'd advised to join but now I'm a C it doesn't seem such a good idea!
- CommentAuthorjms452
- CommentTimeApr 25th 2013
there's GBF community and Damon's Zero communities already...

We're a C to

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