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    What is the go-to reference for flat roof coverings in 2023 onwards? EPDM? Liquid coatings? Felt?

    Also any brands preferred? I'm looking to put a few of my team on a flat roofing course but as with most things they are 'product specific' to ensure warranties are met.

    Would you also try to eliminate flat roofs where possible or do they serve a purpose?
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeNov 26th 2023
     
    It depends on the spec/requirements, I think. EPDM is very durable. GRP or TPO are better for some other properties.
    • CommentAuthorRex
    • CommentTimeNov 26th 2023
     
    In my case, I used EDPM on a 4m x 10m flat roof over the garage. The advantage in my opinion, is it came as one piece, factory sealed seams so effectively no on-site joins to go wrong. The downside, is as one piece, it was very heavy and floppy to get onto the roof!!!

    Also used on my warm roof balconies over which I 'floated' some roof tiles (that is because my roof tiles are from NuLok and are virtually flat on the underside.)
    • CommentAuthorrevor
    • CommentTimeNov 26th 2023
     
    Posted By: VictorianecoWould you also try to eliminate flat roofs where possible or do they serve a purpose?


    I would not entertain a flat roof in this country. Yes they have a purpose lets you have a roof where you could not have a pitched one. Never had a property with a flat roof but my parents, my sister and a cousin have, 2 were on new properties, and both failed within 5 years necessitating complete reroof. NHBC Insurance would not cover them as flat roofs are classed as cladding and do not come under the scope of HHBC warranty. Both roofs were not done to building regs. EPDM I understand is one of the best materials but was told a few years ago that the material can suffer from pin holes and lead to problems. I have used narrow width rolls to seal in window frames it is easy to work with and the gun applied bitumen adhesive I was also impressed with.
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeNov 26th 2023
     
    I hate flat roofs?. In all cases in my way of thinking they should not be flat, min fall 1:40 then most coverings work.

    If pushed my order of preference would be from top covering downwards, lead, asphalt, high performance felt, then the rest
    • CommentAuthorMike1
    • CommentTimeNov 26th 2023
     
    I don't mind flat roofs, but agree with Tony's advice for a minimum 1:40 fall.

    My top 2 would be asphalt, then high performance felt, though lead is certainly good in the right circumstances. However the detailing and the standard of installation is doubtless more important than the system chosen.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeNov 26th 2023
     
    We have two flat roofs on our house. One area over the front porch, and the roof of the sun room (which gets called the conservatory). Both have Firestone EPDM, installed by the same people who installed our standing seam roof on the house itself. Both appear to be holding up well so far (about 8 years), as is the standing seam. Very professional crew.

    I gather Firestone is well-known and one of the better brands.

    I don't think there's anything wrong with flat roofs as long as the falls are correct as already mentioned and the drains are thought about. If it was more sunny here, I'd think about putting chippings or paving slabs or somesuch on top of the rubber to keep the sun off; or have engineered the structure so I could put a green roof on top.

    I wouldn't want felt or ashphalt etc. And lead is an invitation to thieves around here. As I said, I think the alternatives are GRP or TPO. Each to their own I suppose, and don't buy a house and hope to rely on the NHBC :devil:
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    Posted By: VictorianecoWhat is the go-to reference for flat roof coverings in 2023 onwards?


    BS 6229 (2018) is the best reference material for guidance on minimum falls etc.

    I wonder if you meant 'preference' though? Have you considered inverted? You need taller parapets but it allows for a potential outside area for amenity and/or PV.
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    Parapets would be good but again, what materials would be best suited such purpose?

    Thanks
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeNov 27th 2023 edited
     
    Posted By: VictorianecoParapets would be good but again, what materials would be best suited such purpose?
    You mean for the parapets? Ours are timber, covered in EPDM with an aluminium flashing on top.
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2023 edited
     
    @djh;
    Because of a project I'm involved with I'm curious about flat roof parapets.
    You mentioned yours are aluminium I'm assuming they are right on the edge with a fascia extending down the wall. If so approx. how much down the wall does it go, I guess it overhangs the wall, by how much, does driving rain drip from it? If this is the case does it affect the wall e.g. staining?
    • CommentAuthorborpin
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2023
     
    I like the idea of sedum flat roofs.

    I think no matter what, it is down to how well it is constructed. There is more room for error with a flat roof.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2023
     
    Posted By: owlmanYou mentioned yours are aluminium
    No, I said they were timber. With an aluminium flashing cap.

    I've never looked to see what happens when there's driving rain. We haven't seen any problems. I assume water falling on the parapet drips or runs off it, apart from what little evaporates. Just as the water falling anywhere else does.

    I like sedum flat roofs too. Was just too busy to think about them when building. :cry:
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2023
     
    Sorry I didn't describe well enough. I realised the underlying structure was timber with an aluminium capping, should have said. Is the capping down stand/flashing snug up against the wall. How deep is it altogether. I have something about 250mm overall in mind.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2023
     
    I can't find any details at the moment. I'll have a look tomorrow.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2023
     
    Sorry, it turned out to be a busy day. I've just had a look.The wall is clad with horizontal cedar planks. the aluminium is folded down over the top plank and is 400 mm high. Then it runs across the top of the parapet, maybe another 400 mm or so and down the inside maybe 100 mm. The EPDM runs up the inside of the parapet and on to the top of the parapet IIRC under the flashing.
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2023
     
    OK many thanks Dave;
    My situation is also horizontally boarded with an aluminium clad parapet on a flat roof. I was primarily concerned about rain runoff from the fascia bit onto the timber under and below potentially creating problems. I think with a bit of detailing like sloping the aluminium top, inwards onto the flat roof, and keeping the exterior down stand e.g. 150-200 max. don't know yet about any exterior drip detail on the aluminium bottom edge, I'm guessing just a upturn towards the wall. Have to see how the aesthetic looks.
    • CommentAuthorborpin
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2023
     
    The other thing to consider is ventilation; is the gap between the timber cladding and the fascia down stand bit needed for that. If not, have a small under turn on it and when fitting put some expanding EDPM foam tape between it and the timber.

    I've used this tape in numerous places and it does a great job at sealing things.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2023
     
    Posted By: borpinThe other thing to consider is ventilation; is the gap between the timber cladding and the fascia down stand bit needed for that. If not, have a small under turn on it and when fitting put some expanding EDPM foam tape between it and the timber.
    I'm not sure I understand. What gap? The aluminium flashing is formed down over the timber cladding, so there's no ventilation gap as such although I expect liquid water could run down if it needed to. And what benefit would be gained by sealing that space anyway?
    • CommentAuthorborpin
    • CommentTimeDec 6th 2023
     
    Posted By: djhI'm not sure I understand.
    It was more a question for owlman.

    Where the aluminium comes down over the wooden cladding, unless fixed hard with sealant against it, there would be a natural gap (might only be a couple of mm) but 2 different materials in contact would not be naturally 'sealed'.

    If the cladding is on battens, the design might allow for ventilation and the gap at the top being part of that ventilation.

    Depending on aspect and location, there might be a risk of driven rain getting up under the aluminium between it and the cladding and that might be undesireable.

    If there is a gap that needs sealing, one solution (I hate Silicon) is to use thin expanding foam tape to provide a weatherproof seal.

    Where the aluminium comes down and stops, is there a small underfold as a finishing or just a plain end (powder coated surface?)
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeDec 6th 2023
     
    In general I tend to favour keeping things open where possible to allow as much ventilation and thereby evaporation as possible. I'd think that if there was enough wind to drive rain up behind the flashing, it was likely to be enough to bend the flashing outwards as well. The area behind the flashing is pretty much sealed apart from at the bottom (including the area behind the cladding as well. So I'd expect the wind to build up the pressure there so that the wind didn't actually blow into that area. So not much rain carried up either.

    Certainly I can't see any great difference between the cladding up top and that lower down. But then we don't live in an area of extreme weather, so things might differ depending on where a building is.
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